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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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from outside this world

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this faded black with your host jimmy

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church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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good evening all right fade to black

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bespoke radio

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masses uh yeah

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how you doing today's monday may 31st

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2021

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152 days into the new year only 213 days

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we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of nowhere a

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undisclosed location

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but it is beautiful that's right

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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and tether to and fro back and forth up

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and down east and west

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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a the planets i'm yours jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing happy memorial day hope

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you had a great safe fun amazing and

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food filled weekend it continues tonight

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and you're spending your night with us

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tonight that's fantastic all right

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what a week we've got coming up here on

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kicking it off with tonight billy cox

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unbelievable billy cox the ufo

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journalist

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joins us for the first time tonight i've

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been trying to get billy on the show for

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but we have billy cox here tonight an

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that billy cox is with us

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and then tomorrow night lisa o'hara

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have three first-time guests this week

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we're going to be talking about her new

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abducted and furious that is tomorrow

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is back with this and we're going to

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cover all of that dod

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drama that is going around right now

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it's absolutely incredible

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so that'll be uh wednesday night with

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um let me get straight to it and then

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blumenthal is here so i've got two

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for the first time and tonight with

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billy cox and then thursday night

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with ralph blumenthal and ralph is going

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to be talking about his new book it's a

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best seller john mack believer and that

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thursday night so again this week

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no fader night don't get upset uh

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that statement all right but what a week

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all right now um and then at the end of

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look i'm going to make this announcement

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but at the end of this week i head to

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laughlin nevada for the ufo

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megacon and that's going to be going on

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june 6 through june 12th so there

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are no shows next week don't send me

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email where's the shows there's nothing

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on the podcast there's nothing

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i'm just telling you right now no shows

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next week

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i'm taking the week off to go and work

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for seven days at the ufo megacon you

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can get your tickets and information

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right now over at jimmychurchradio.com

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it's going to be a great week

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and i'm really looking forward uh to

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over to laughlin okay so there you go

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and uh by the way they've lifted all

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conference so i'll see everybody down

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there no shows next week

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you can follow me on twitter at j church

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the sandbox is hashtag f2b on twitter

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taking a quick poll i posted

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lou elizondo's high school picture and i

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uh i texted lou today and said dude i've

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got your high school yearbook picture

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permission to post right and he used to

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be back he goes man go for it

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i look like napoleon dynamite and

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so i popped it up on twitter

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and uh and look there's no shame in my

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i posted my high school yearbook picture

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i'm just saying they don't look that far

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and i'm taking a poll who's got the best

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me or lou and i'm gonna take a poll

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uh the numbers of the poll wednesday

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night when lou joins us on the show it's

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big week here on fade to black all right

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i can't believe i have to make this

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announcement i'm going to get to the

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this announcement came today from kcor

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the digital radio network radio host

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and researcher prolific tim beckley

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has left this earth known as mr ufo

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and of course host of exploring the

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bazaar

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passed away last night now this is very

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sad news for our community

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and our thoughts and purse i got a lump

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our thoughts and prayers go to his

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family during this difficult time

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and i just have to say i

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walking around um in complete sadness

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it it has not ended and

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from kcor about tim beckley it's just

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man man i need the i need the sadness to

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you know i just do i do i do i'm in a

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but uh uh our thoughts and prayers

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seriously go to tim

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his radio family everybody over at kcr

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just uh tragic tragic news today

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all right well i'm gonna get to some

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a giant tortoise in the galapagos

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island that was thought to have gone

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extinct over a century ago has just come

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researchers discovered the female

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fernandina island during a joint

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and the galapagos conservancy back in

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all of this according to their statement

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this tortoise's genes to those

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and confirmed fernanda was indeed

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the same species absolutely incredible

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but a diameter of just 14 inches and

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there it was results of ongoing analysis

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indicate that the arm's performance

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the damage is limited to a small section

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the thermal blanket sorry it looks like

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the end of the pandemic right are we

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ended today another major milestone

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as the state gradually reopens from the

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coronavirus pandemic

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induced shutdown governor andrew cuomo

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announced in april that the

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would officially end on may 31st

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that their liquor licenses or other

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allow now the coronavirus numbers

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let me go i am going to give you the

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right now let me pull this up and uh

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so let's see where we are today

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this is what is so incredible the

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numbers in the united states have

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dropped dramatically in recent days and

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the reported cases were just 7848 that

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and today right now as of showtime

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now compared to just four months ago

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when the number was in the

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hundreds of thousands it's a clear sign

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finally be at the end of the pandemic

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looking at the numbers right now

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and uh the numbers in india dropped

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dramatically today only 126 000

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big number but they were doing 400

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000 a day just a couple of weeks ago

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so the numbers are dropping and they are

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dropping

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fast i need to get to the end of this

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the sodas of the rest of the world all

295
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right now i've got uh some kim

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kardashian news

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it's not what you may think though okay

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now check this out she's in the news

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again but this time

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she has landed herself in an illegal art

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smuggling controversy

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after an ancient roman sculpture

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was imported by her to california

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according to court documents filed this

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past

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friday in california the us government

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has sought the forfeiture of a looted

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smuggled and illegally exported antique

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limestone

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sculpture fragment of myron's samian

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athena it takes back to the first

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century a.d and was bought by kardashian

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from a belgian

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art dealer the piece was part of a five

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and a half ton

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shipment having 40 objects in it

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with a stated value of just seven

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hundred and forty five thousand dollars

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it was described as

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this five and a half ton shipment

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described as furniture

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and decorations rather than priceless

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archaeological fines the form

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submitted by customs broker lists the

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importer and consignee

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of the items as kim kardashian dba

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noel roberts trust of woodland hills

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california

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the noel roberts truss is an entity

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working with kardashian and kanye west's

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real estate properties art dealer and

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interior designer axel

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vervort was identified in the court

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documents

335
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as the shipper verdvort works with

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kardashian and west

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on their properties somebody

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has some splaining to do all right

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let's get to show cracking happy

340
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birthday to today

341
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you knew this was coming clint eastwood

342
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today

343
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is 91 years old now

344
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best favorite clint eastwood movies

345
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yeah okay i'm going with two

346
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high plains drifter the good the bad and

347
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the ugly

348
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those are my two and there's a lot of

349
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good ones brook shields today

350
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is 56. colin farrell today

351
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is 45. of course the star of in

352
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[Music]

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burgesses i still can't say it minority

354
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report

355
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he's really good in true detective as

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well on hbo

357
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leah thompson today is 60 of course back

358
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to the future

359
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and corey hart is 59

360
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sunglasses at night you forgot about

361
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that song didn't you

362
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our dead guy's birthday today is john

363
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henry bonham

364
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1948 to 1980 died at the age of 32.

365
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john of course was the drummer for led

366
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zeppelin but

367
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he is also regarded as one of the

368
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greatest and most influential drummers

369
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in history a mostly self-taught drummer

370
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bonham's influences included max roach

371
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the great gene krupa

372
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and buddy rich while primarily known for

373
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his hard rock style

374
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during his lifetime bonham's reputation

375
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as a drummer has grown beyond hard rock

376
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following his death

377
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and is now seen as one of the greatest

378
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drummers of

379
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all time there's no question about that

380
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in 2016 rolling stone ranked him first

381
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in its list first in its list of the 100

382
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greatest drummers of all time

383
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on september 24th 1980 john spent the

384
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day rehearsing with the band

385
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led zeppelin and drinking heavily

386
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started at breakfast

387
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later that night they went to jimmy

388
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page's house where he fell asleep

389
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and he never woke up he was just 32

390
00:19:03,190 --> 00:18:59,679
years old

391
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happy birthday john bonham john henry

392
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bonham john bonham

393
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all right on this day in history 1977

394
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the bbc bans the sex pistols

395
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god save the queen that's right

396
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the bbc quickly makes them the most

397
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famous band

398
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in the world you don't

399
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you want to make somebody famous ban

400
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them

401
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what a great record that was fader fact

402
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okay here you go this is a fact

403
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see how quickly this pops up madeline

404
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:40,640
love

405
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,000
corey hart that's funny all right fader

406
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,840
fact let's see how quickly this pops up

407
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:47,280
in twitter

408
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:50,480
so lamb that's s-o-o-a-m

409
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,760
so am biotech a laboratory in korea

410
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makes genetically identical copies

411
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clones

412
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of dogs for their pet owners now

413
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:07,760
for 100 000 100 000

414
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:11,200
large anyone who has a cell

415
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:15,440
from any dog can get a clone

416
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,559
and that is your fader fact

417
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,640
tonight very special guest it's an honor

418
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,080
and a privilege

419
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:24,480
tonight billy cox is here the ufo

420
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,039
journalist joins us for the first time

421
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:29,200
tomorrow night lisa o'hara is also here

422
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,799
for the first time to talk about her new

423
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:31,679
book

424
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:42,230
all of this dod drama that's going down

425
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,280
right now

426
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,440
thursday night the one and only ralph

427
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,360
blumenthal joins us also for the first

428
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:49,760
time we're going to discuss his new book

429
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:53,120
john mack believer no fader night this

430
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,000
week everybody

431
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,200
all right again i know i i get it but

432
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:59,280
we've got four great nights of fade to

433
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,400
black

434
00:21:04,830 --> 00:21:01,919
all right now it's time for me to hit

435
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,840
this river moon coffee

436
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:06,880
rivermoonwellness.com that's what keeps

437
00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:15,190
i like my coffee doc

438
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:18,390
yep i do doc

439
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,679
doc i remember uh before i get started

440
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:22,799
here

441
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:31,360
i'm gonna say nineteen

442
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:34,960
i'm going 85 i don't think it was 86.

443
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,919
right off of raymond street there was an

444
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,720
alley

445
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,480
next to the train tracks and you walked

446
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:42,240
down you had to park and then

447
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,520
walk but it was called the espresso bar

448
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,080
oh my god i'll never forget that first

449
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,159
night i walked in there

450
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:54,559
and everybody just sitting around

451
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,919
smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee

452
00:22:03,669 --> 00:21:58,400
and

453
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:03,679
espresso before not like that

454
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:07,280
and um i'll never forget that

455
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:11,039
that that i don't know whatever it was

456
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,520
some

457
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,400
chocolate mocha thing in a big mug the

458
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,320
whipped cream the chocolate syrup on

459
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,360
this espresso that burnt dark

460
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,640
taste unbelievable

461
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,799
unbelievable still my thing still my

462
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:25,679
thing

463
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:29,360
all right now i want to uh he's actually

464
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:35,350
want to bring in ronnie mcmullen from

465
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,400
life change t

466
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:39,360
ronnie you're late man i didn't know if

467
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,000
i was supposed to call

468
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:43,120
you or you me oh man we were supposed to

469
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,320
talk today my friend

470
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,559
man man man oh you're gonna throw me

471
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,679
under the bus

472
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,640
need a good bus kicking

473
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,799
[Laughter]

474
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,880
i was like man i'm gonna keep rambling

475
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,480
here um

476
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,480
but uh there you go ronnie how you doing

477
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,120
man i'm doing good i'm just teasing you

478
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,960
yeah i know you are i know you are

479
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,039
ronnie is 10 minutes late folks

480
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,320
he's 10 minutes late but i you know

481
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,440
i can string it i can string it along

482
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,320
ronnie i can i can i i sound like i know

483
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,520
what i'm doing

484
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,520
no you're the man you you can you can

485
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,960
it's filler it's called

486
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,360
filler and you've got lots of it i got

487
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,760
man i got daiso filler

488
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,840
i got dave's a filler man i'm like that

489
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,960
that fake

490
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,080
um goose down pillow

491
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,840
i am full of the filler

492
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,679
full of filler what's going on ronnie

493
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,960
now listen and

494
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,280
now in the short time that we have left

495
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,279
um what have you got going on over at

496
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,520
life change t for the fader knots

497
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,520
well you notice the the economy is

498
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,200
making everything go up i mean the two

499
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:49,120
by four is like 12 bucks now and for all

500
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,559
those construction workers out there

501
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:52,159
you're starting to throw a fit again and

502
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,360
i get it

503
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,760
so i thought it'd be cool that we throw

504
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,880
a sale

505
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,799
and we keep our sales going even though

506
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,159
everything's going up high and we

507
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,080
haven't raised our prices at all

508
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,520
so i thought that was kind of cool

509
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,080
instead we have the heart lift

510
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:08,480
special which is really kind of a cool

511
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,440
special because

512
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,480
it is got the heart love it's got the

513
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,600
niacin

514
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,880
and it's got the t so it

515
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,120
kind of a pick me up for your heart and

516
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,640
then we've got the grape seed

517
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,679
and we've got of course the tea and

518
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,360
that's another special all on the front

519
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,880
of get the tea.com

520
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,720
scroll down there's the two specials and

521
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,960
we still have the specials page so

522
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:33,279
you can't get any better with getting

523
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,400
healthy in

524
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,960
a time of everything going up so crazy

525
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:37,919
in price

526
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:41,919
now um the uh super tea grape seed

527
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:55,909
um and the the fader knots will

528
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:58,960
even get free shipping with that yes

529
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,840
just got to put fader in the coupon code

530
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,480
hit

531
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,840
apply and it will just

532
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,320
create nice free shipping for him mandy

533
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,480
you know you you treat the fader knots

534
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,679
with such respect

535
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,880
uh ronnie this is incredible and uh the

536
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:17,039
the heart lift though that's pretty cool

537
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:18,640
niacin advanced you get the

538
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,159
end you get the t all of that for 70

539
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:25,200
large and free shipping and free

540
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,320
shipping wow

541
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,480
wow let's uh let me look at the clock

542
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:30,320
here i want to jump over to the specials

543
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,200
page

544
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:34,960
okay now um see some of these

545
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:38,240
these are exactly what i need the bee

546
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,799
pollen

547
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,440
and super t combo pack that's the way to

548
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,279
go right there

549
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,919
and let's see what else is going on in

550
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:47,600
the special page

551
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,279
uh tea and more double tea all right

552
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:54,720
ah barking tea that's my favorite right

553
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,279
there

554
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:58,640
that's what's the foreplay special let

555
00:26:03,190 --> 00:25:59,360
me see what this

556
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:03,200
is super tea sea vegetables

557
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,120
uh marine aminos and sockeye salmon

558
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,400
wow and so you know what sometimes we

559
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,400
don't with the way we eat we don't have

560
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,679
enough oils in our bodies

561
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,279
and oil i mean it does a lot of good

562
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,880
good for the joints and all kinds of

563
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:18,720
good stuff it's good for your eyes too

564
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,919
lots of vitamin e yes it's very good for

565
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:22,640
you

566
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,320
i believe we came from the sea

567
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,360
a bazillion years ago but maybe not but

568
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uh i i think the sea products are very

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very good for you and of course there's

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natural iodine in the sea veggies so

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that's really good in case we get blown

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away

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and that's so yeah right that's funny

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um so yeah so you get four

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in that for just a hundred so that's

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that's uh

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25 each and free shipping

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and free shipping man ronnie you are the

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absolute best man

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and uh i want everybody to visit get the

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tea.com ronnie has been with us for

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years

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he's the reason why i am able to

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broadcast every night uh

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get the tea has been by my side and my

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family side

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uh for so long and the fader knots man

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we love you so much

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what's going on in your life what's

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what's new over there

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life is good things are happening and uh

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i'm i'm just still working on bottling

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the tea because a lot of people don't

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have the time to go boil the tea and i

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want to make sure it's available in

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every circle k

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whole foods sprouts whatever

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and i'm very excited about it we have a

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chance and then of course we got to talk

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just two seconds about

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the race car that's coming to brand new

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race car

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brand new woohoo what is it

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it is a brand new off-road race car

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uh 6200 class and it's got a

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ls 3 in it so it's got a nice little

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corvette engine in it about 545

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horsepower

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and uh it is a rocker it is a fast fast

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car

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and so we're hoping to beat a few trophy

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trucks and uh

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hopefully i'll get to ride in it

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actually uh

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no i know

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you in the road in that car you would

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have rode in the tin car which is still

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kind of a

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wild car uh or you would have rode in

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the pre-runner which that

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that's that's got about 500 horsepower

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and that's that's pretty scary but this

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is a light

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car two-seater not a four-seater it's a

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two-seater

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and uh brand spanking new

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and it's going to launch for vegas to

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reno

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so that should be quite the race and

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we're hoping to position ourselves

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man good luck to you and the team uh to

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get the t

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team race car team um i've got about 30

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00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:52,240
seconds left did you watch the indy 500

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this weekend

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yo castroneves and i got to tell you

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that uh he's now in a very elite

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club with h.a floyd and and rick mears

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and

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last two laps

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and uh timed things perfectly and we

642
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have another four-time winner

643
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for the indy 500 but it was pretty cool

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to see how happy he was

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and him running up the entire fans were

646
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going crazy they

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opened up they lifted the block out uh

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they only sold 135 000 tickets

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but as far as i know this is like the

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first sporting event that had people in

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it in like a year and a half

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so that was pretty cool and and helios

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just a nice guy

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couldn't have happened to a better

655
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person but it was a very exciting race

656
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very cool i'm hoping to catch some

657
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reruns i'll talk to you

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ronnie mcmullen get the t.com

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all easy to get to get the t.com the

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links are over at jimmychurchradio.com

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he's got the two specials currently

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running right there on the home page

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he's got the specials page but what

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ronnie mcmullen thank you so much my

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friend love you brother love the feeder

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knots

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you're the best ronnie mcmullen life

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change

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t thank you so much ronnie and uh i am

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going to take a quick break and when i

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come back

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billy cox is with us this is fade to

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am your host jimmy church we've got an

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amazing week coming up on the show

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nine out of ten geneticists agree

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fade to black is not

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight billy

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cox

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is with us we've got a big week here on

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fade to black

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tomorrow night lisa o'hara is here we're

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going to talk about her book

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abducted and furious wednesday night lou

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elizondo

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thursday night ralph blumenthal is with

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us but tonight it's all about billy cox

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billy joins us to discuss his life as a

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ufo journalist

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and we're going to go through all of the

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recent headlines and mass media coverage

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on the subject billy has spent 45 years

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in the

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newspaper biz 30 at the florida today

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in the backyard of the kennedy space

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center by the way in 15 years at the

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sarasota herald tribune

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which he just quit last month by the way

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in april

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billy isn't quite retired yet he has uh

837
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just had his fill of gannet we'll talk

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about that too as well

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he spent most of his time writing

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features from gourd collectors to

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covering

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executions at florida state prison billy

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00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,599
wrote his first

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ufo story back in 1980 shortly after his

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in fringe trail

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more or less sort of ever since

847
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,200
i would like to welcome for the first

848
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,880
time to fade to black

849
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,119
it's an honor and a privilege to say

850
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,960
welcome billy cox billy how you doing

851
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,839
man

852
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:26,480
hey no the honor and privilege is all

853
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:27,040
mine

854
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:30,960
it

855
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,640
finally get you on the show

856
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,720
and uh before we get started billy you

857
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,400
get the first time guest

858
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,760
disclaimer that's right which is this

859
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:43,359
billy it's just you and i sitting on my

860
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,920
couch

861
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,440
where that conversation starts and

862
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,200
starts where it ends it ends

863
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:49,119
but we're gonna end his friends there

864
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:50,400
you go sounds good

865
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:54,160
okay yeah i'm ready i'm ready and um

866
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:58,400
i kind of uh i'm getting a weird echo

867
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,720
here

868
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,320
i hope it's not going out over the

869
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,240
airwaves

870
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,880
no i'm hearing it i'm not hearing it i'm

871
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,760
fine over here

872
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,599
yeah if you're not hearing it then i

873
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,800
think we're going to be fine i'm looking

874
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:10,240
at the meters

875
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,920
no it's just me okay this is it's

876
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:15,599
strange it's strange

877
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,960
um okay i can ignore it um

878
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,599
i i want to start here before we jump

879
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,320
back to

880
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:25,599
uh you know cocoa beach florida um

881
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,119
which inspired you to do this

882
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,160
i remember a teacher of mine

883
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,480
in school for broadcasting billy when i

884
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,320
said what would you do

885
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,119
and this person was from cnn what would

886
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,079
you do if you had a ufo sighting a story

887
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:44,400
with confirmation would you take it to

888
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,510
and and he looked at me because never

889
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:54,240
right i would never do it i was like

890
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:54,880
well why

891
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,000
what if he's no no ufos in the media

892
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:01,200
in journalism no no that's a career

893
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,240
ender

894
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:05,040
but you chose to go the opposite path

895
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,680
did you

896
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:08,960
fight the man uh over the last

897
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,630
uh that's a good question

898
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:19,760
uh i would have followed the slow

899
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,359
toe dip into the water um

900
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:25,440
i will say that one of one of the books

901
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:26,480
i really enjoyed

902
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,079
uh uh 20 years ago was terry hansen's

903
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:33,440
missing times and

904
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,960
he drew some lineage with partnerships

905
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,880
between the news media particularly i

906
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,000
think it was upi

907
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:43,040
some of the press services to uh world

908
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,440
war

909
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:46,000
ii and their cooperation with holding

910
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,880
information

911
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,960
with with the pentagon and the defense

912
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:50,640
uh department

913
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,400
and you know a lot of that sort of made

914
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,640
sense to me when i when i first read it

915
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,319
the idea that there might be

916
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,079
collaboration

917
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,480
when it comes to this exotic topic

918
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,319
between the news media

919
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,040
and and you know the the spooks or

920
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,480
whatever

921
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,119
but as i got into this thing uh me

922
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:12,480
personally i never

923
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:15,920
encountered anything other than

924
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,359
uh self censorship

925
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,800
um nobody ever really

926
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:25,359
said billy don't ever write about ufos

927
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,319
now i got

928
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,280
i was reluctant to do so at first i

929
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,440
certainly didn't know a whole lot about

930
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,400
it

931
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,200
but i felt like after my sighting in

932
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,800
1979 well i was

933
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,880
curious i i just didn't know what was

934
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,920
going on and

935
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,560
lo and behold manna from heaven cape

936
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:43,359
canaveral

937
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,319
there was a ufo symposium sponsored by

938
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,960
the gateway to the stars gateway to the

939
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:52,960
stars was sort of a

940
00:41:57,630 --> 00:41:56,160
a religious retreat a facility put

941
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:57,640
together by

942
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,720
evangelical radio preacher

943
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,990
probably most people won't remember carl

944
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,920
but he was sort of a fixture there in

945
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,599
cocoa beach he spent his time between

946
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:10,319
there and

947
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:13,760
and pennsylvania and during the vietnam

948
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:17,200
war in the 1960s he's when he started

949
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,240
gateway to the stars uh he had

950
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:23,280
a mock vietnam village if you can

951
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:24,160
believe that

952
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,760
he was very pro-vietnam war next to

953
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,000
i guess what he called a replica of

954
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:32,240
solomon's temple

955
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,520
and when the there was a ping-pong

956
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:37,200
diplomacy you may remember

957
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,119
nixon back in 1970 mcintyre thought that

958
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:43,119
was treason and he got the

959
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,240
table tennis team from taiwan

960
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,359
to have a parallel tour

961
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,720
at the same time the mainland

962
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,119
chinese ping pong team so anyway he was

963
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,800
kind of a lightning rod he was

964
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,119
very controversial character but twice a

965
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:00,480
year

966
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,880
mcintyre would host these ufo symposium

967
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,920
and just a few months well maybe

968
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,079
six or seven months after my sighting in

969
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,520
in cocoa beach

970
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,000
he had a symposium there at his gateway

971
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:15,760
to the stars and that's

972
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,560
when i first dipped my toe into the

973
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:20,240
water

974
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,240
and i was actually

975
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:28,240
he said billy look at this crazy ufo

976
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,599
stuff you know they're looking about

977
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,720
they're talking about

978
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,680
a face on mars and aliens and deep

979
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,000
freeze go check that out

980
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,839
you know i told him i'd had this thing

981
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,240
uh this experience and

982
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,119
so it was the first uh and and you know

983
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,680
that was 41 years ago now and i can't

984
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:46,640
really say

985
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,000
uh jimmy that i'm any smarter today than

986
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,520
i was

987
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,720
back then you did you

988
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:57,520
did you realize that as the years went

989
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,000
by

990
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,280
you were probably the only beat rider

991
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,400
that was doing this for a national news

992
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:11,190
well um i knew that nobody else in daily

993
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,240
newspapers

994
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,640
uh was writing about this i mean that

995
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,240
was that was pretty clear and

996
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,920
and of course it was a lot more

997
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,079
difficult here to keep

998
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:23,440
tabs on what everybody else was doing

999
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,440
so you know um that sort of networking

1000
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,280
certainly not to the extent that we have

1001
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:31,119
today but i couldn't find that anybody

1002
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,560
was doing there would be wire service

1003
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,440
reports every now and then of a sighting

1004
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,680
of sightings even the ap and the upi

1005
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,000
back back in the day would cover

1006
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:42,480
something happening supposedly over

1007
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:43,200
russia

1008
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:48,319
or or china but it was it was sporadic

1009
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,480
um and you know going from that sort of

1010
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:55,040
choppy piecemeal sort of coverage to

1011
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,079
this sort of

1012
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,319
more coherent cohesive narrative that we

1013
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,079
have globally

1014
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,520
is it's like a small miracle but

1015
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:06,000
i did not know to answer your question

1016
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,040
again

1017
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,359
i did not know of anyone at the time who

1018
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,119
was doing the ufo stuff

1019
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,560
and uh even my peers that i would

1020
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,560
tell them i'm interested in this you

1021
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,000
know you kind of after

1022
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,240
a couple of rolled eyes and you know

1023
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,599
okay i'm

1024
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,640
not very interested in this chuckling

1025
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:27,200
you learn to kind of keep this stuff to

1026
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:27,760
yourself

1027
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:31,359
it wasn't i don't know i wouldn't say it

1028
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:31,760
was

1029
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,000
skepticism there

1030
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,599
that i knew i got to choose my times and

1031
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,200
places when i talked to people about

1032
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:43,520
this stuff that was very inhibiting

1033
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,200
now um you you chose to quit last month

1034
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,160
and i read i'm going to talk about your

1035
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:52,880
writing style here in just a minute

1036
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,800
but um you wrote

1037
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,400
okay look i'm just going to put it out

1038
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,079
there straight

1039
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,920
you started to get

1040
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,480
feedback from software

1041
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,000
[Laughter]

1042
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:11,440
you are being evaluated on your writing

1043
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:12,240
style

1044
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:16,960
by word count and usage by software

1045
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:25,829
out and what how is that possible

1046
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,280
okay well so my blog devoid

1047
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:32,480
which i started in 2007

1048
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:36,160
after carefully feeling out my

1049
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,000
editor my assistant editor

1050
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,319
going so far up to the executive editor

1051
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,079
when i first got there i

1052
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,680
you know i was i had been hired

1053
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,359
uh but i was meeting these folks and i

1054
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:50,960
said and by the way

1055
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,720
and ufos you know and they would kind of

1056
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,400
i said do you have any problems with

1057
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,880
that well no not as long as you can find

1058
00:47:03,190 --> 00:46:59,920
a local angle

1059
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:03,200
yeah you know kind of a giggle with it

1060
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,079
but yeah okay

1061
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,760
billy whatever just get your work done

1062
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,359
you know the the other stuff you can

1063
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,440
find a local angle

1064
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:12,000
will will let you will it you cover if

1065
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:12,720
you

1066
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,599
the software evaluation oh yeah yeah

1067
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,319
yeah well

1068
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:25,520
okay so finally in 2007 i got this

1069
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,760
wordpress blog going and i never really

1070
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,760
understood this because most of the

1071
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,440
stuff is

1072
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,680
i don't know esperanto to me i don't

1073
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,839
really understand i'm not very digitally

1074
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,920
inclined i'm pretty much a tranquil dyke

1075
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,359
when it comes to this stuff but down

1076
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,960
there at the bottom of the wordpress

1077
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,160
there is

1078
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,280
seo metrics uh search engine

1079
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,640
optimization where there's an algorithm

1080
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:53,760
where they can give you feedback on

1081
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,040
the way that programmers have

1082
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:00,319
decided what the ideal length

1083
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:07,430
cadence even of language um

1084
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,559
should be and evidently i didn't realize

1085
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,200
this until earlier this year

1086
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,839
i was told by my editor and i've had

1087
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:17,200
four

1088
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,119
corporate owners in the last 10 years we

1089
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,720
started out i thought i'd die and gone

1090
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,160
to heaven when i when i

1091
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,240
first got here in sarasota it was a new

1092
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:27,599
york times

1093
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,200
regional um newspaper group

1094
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,119
so i started out with them then we got

1095
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:35,280
sold to something called halifax and

1096
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,920
then

1097
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,640
halifax sold us to something called

1098
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:39,839
gatehouse and

1099
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:42,319
a couple years ago gatehouse merged with

1100
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,280
gannett

1101
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,520
but all through these permutations i was

1102
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:46,880
still able to keep

1103
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,160
my uh blog going you know i certainly

1104
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,839
didn't advertise it all that much

1105
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:54,559
but kind of kept it on the radar and

1106
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,839
then earlier this year

1107
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:58,160
um i got the word from one of the

1108
00:49:03,589 --> 00:48:59,040
editors hey

1109
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,599
uh billy um gannett is streamlining

1110
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,319
uh its blogs they're trying to get get

1111
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:08,800
rid of all the excess bone and fat

1112
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,920
so to speak and uh looks like yours

1113
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,920
isn't performing all that well so you

1114
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,520
might want to think about

1115
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:18,319
transferring or shifting it to some

1116
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,800
other

1117
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,079
platform and i said what

1118
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,839
what's what's the problem well don't

1119
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,440
feel singled out they're getting rid of

1120
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,119
a whole bunch of them it's just one big

1121
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,079
fell swoop and yours got caught up in

1122
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:32,880
and and the web i said well again i mean

1123
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:33,200
what

1124
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:38,400
they like they say well it's readability

1125
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,400
you know check out seo i'm going what

1126
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,119
so i just i went okay oh my god i'm

1127
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,720
looking

1128
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,720
this thing has been there all along i've

1129
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:50,319
just never taken a look at it

1130
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,839
it's been evaluating my uh

1131
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:56,880
writing style not so much content

1132
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:00,480
but the way i was presenting certain

1133
00:50:07,549 --> 00:50:04,240
facts or observations and i was doing

1134
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,559
piss-poor i mean i was getting like

1135
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,559
c-minuses d-pluses

1136
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,839
you know one of them said you you had

1137
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,680
three consecutive sentences

1138
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,680
it started with the same word it might

1139
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:19,040
have been the or a

1140
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,400
who knows but they it got so pedantic i

1141
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,319
couldn't believe it and that was what i

1142
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,559
was being judged on

1143
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,119
now i didn't i didn't quit the paper uh

1144
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:30,720
solely because of that

1145
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,680
i was just very discouraged with the way

1146
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:35,280
things were going we've had so many

1147
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,319
layoffs

1148
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,160
and it's not just been that i mean every

1149
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,160
every newspaper chain is is

1150
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,680
going through the same sort of suffering

1151
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:44,480
but we're cutting back cutting back

1152
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,559
and 75 percent of our new digital

1153
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,599
subscriptions come from devices not not

1154
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,960
laptops

1155
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,760
but handheld iphone smartphones that

1156
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,839
kind of stuff and so we've got to be

1157
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,400
able essentially to write

1158
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,319
to be able to hold someone's attention

1159
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,319
span for the length of the stoplight

1160
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,240
that's that's kind of essentially it

1161
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,400
with lots of sub heads maybe change the

1162
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:11,119
lead every couple minutes or whatever

1163
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,400
and i i i just i said you know what

1164
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,319
they've outgrown me or i've outgrown

1165
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,200
them things are changing i can't keep up

1166
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:22,160
this is not any fun anymore and then

1167
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:22,559
when

1168
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:26,400
i was trying to get my um blog

1169
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,520
uh transferred they said hey uh billy

1170
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:31,200
you might want to do it they're they're

1171
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,720
shutting down this is on friday

1172
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,400
afternoon i get call from my editor and

1173
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:36,240
i said can you hold the hounds off for

1174
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:39,440
at least two days so i can write a

1175
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,400
farewell blog

1176
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:43,040
you know let people know hey goodbye

1177
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,800
well i think i can do that and i tried

1178
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,920
to log on to

1179
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,960
to write my sayonara and the thing had

1180
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,000
already been disabled

1181
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,680
yeah it's already you know it's really

1182
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,760
funny for me to go and search for it you

1183
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:55,520
can't find it

1184
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:58,720
but you know um there are ways to

1185
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,920
find it i'm a little reluctant to uh

1186
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,760
advertise that right now because it's

1187
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,960
still got a

1188
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,440
my old url on there and they could

1189
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:10,000
disable it anytime it's got a new prefix

1190
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,400
but

1191
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,400
at any rate i'm still trying to figure

1192
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,240
out how to find a neutral platform to

1193
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,839
transfer all that stuff to

1194
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:18,000
well you do have i want everybody to

1195
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:19,960
know there is

1196
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,240
devoidlives.com um

1197
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,400
and and you can go there and read of

1198
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:26,319
course life in jonestown too as well

1199
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,440
i've got those links up

1200
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,800
over on jimmychurchradio.com let me say

1201
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:33,040
this before we get to the break billy

1202
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:36,559
one of the things um about your

1203
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:39,680
writing style that i enjoy is

1204
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,400
it is smooth you have a professional way

1205
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,240
of communicating

1206
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:49,440
to the masses and i've always enjoyed

1207
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,800
i i just absorb i get it

1208
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,119
and i you write like i want to write you

1209
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,520
write like i want to speak

1210
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:00,720
and and and software or an

1211
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:04,160
editor or whoever they're not going to

1212
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,920
know how you affect people

1213
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,160
right that that's that's just not cool

1214
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,599
to me because you're one of the

1215
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,160
smoothest writers out there

1216
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,839
well that's awfully nice for you to say

1217
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:18,480
so jimmy i do i do appreciate it

1218
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,920
um but honestly and i don't want to

1219
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,720
be too discouraging but let's just face

1220
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,680
it i mean people

1221
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:28,000
aren't reading all that much anymore you

1222
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,800
know

1223
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:31,680
um that's that's discouraging for me i

1224
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:32,319
mean i

1225
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,680
i find that my attention span

1226
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,559
has uh eroded somewhat i'd like to

1227
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:39,839
attribute that to

1228
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:43,359
the digital realm um but i'm it could be

1229
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,240
age

1230
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,280
i don't know but but you know uh

1231
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,079
hey anybody who still likes to read is

1232
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:52,559
is near and dear to my heart

1233
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,280
the um the way that you do write is it

1234
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:59,920
is it from from your brain and from your

1235
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,319
mind

1236
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,200
straight to your fingers because how

1237
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,000
does that connection work

1238
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:09,200
uh it's labored i gotta i gotta tell you

1239
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,400
uh it doesn't come really naturally

1240
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,880
to me i mean i i have to work at it i

1241
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:16,079
think one of the best things that

1242
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:17,760
happened to me

1243
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,520
uh was daily newspapers in the sense of

1244
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:23,920
having to punch something out every day

1245
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:26,480
on deadline that forced me

1246
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:29,440
hey you can't dally man the press is

1247
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,480
waiting

1248
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:33,200
so this this it was good it was good

1249
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,720
training in the sense that

1250
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:37,200
um you know i had to do it quick turn it

1251
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,240
over really quick

1252
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,960
but every now and then i get a chance to

1253
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,200
come up for air and work on something

1254
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:45,200
long-form features and that's what i

1255
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,480
really enjoyed

1256
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,720
but honestly i i think if i'd started

1257
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,920
out

1258
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,640
doing this kind of stuff and you know

1259
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,440
initially

1260
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,920
i might not have written first word

1261
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,599
that's what newspapers were

1262
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,559
really good it finally got me off of my

1263
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,760
inertia

1264
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,000
and uh actually getting stuff printed

1265
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,680
for change

1266
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,680
now you've been writing about this you

1267
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,319
know for almost 40 years the ufo subject

1268
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,400
and covering the ufo beat as a beat

1269
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,319
writer

1270
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,960
did you ever see these last four years

1271
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,960
coming

1272
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,359
oh god no no i don't know i don't think

1273
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:22,799
anybody

1274
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,720
saw it uh like you jimmy i suspect

1275
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,040
when you began to realize that there was

1276
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,230
i realized immediately when i saw this

1277
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,880
thing and i started reading

1278
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,880
about it i realized this is the biggest

1279
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,160
story ever

1280
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,240
i think the book if i would point to a

1281
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,400
book that really kind of

1282
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,720
made the light bulb click on for me was

1283
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:50,240
clear intent

1284
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,400
by uh i think it's a faucet in greenwood

1285
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,520
this came out in 1984. what i

1286
00:56:02,950 --> 00:55:59,599
really liked about this book was it was

1287
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,960
based on government paper uh as a result

1288
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,880
of the freedom of information act that

1289
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,119
that was uh sort of expedited i think

1290
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,440
during the carter administration

1291
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,599
and i was i would rave about this book

1292
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,960
and you've got to read this it's the

1293
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:15,440
first time i ever heard about the

1294
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,280
iran the tehran f4 situation i think was

1295
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,200
an f4 that lost control and tried to

1296
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:23,680
lock in on a bogey over tehran

1297
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,040
and that kind of stuff from nsa

1298
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,319
uh papers um that to me was

1299
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,359
so compelling and it sent me i knew that

1300
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:35,440
i wasn't chasing phantoms i'm going this

1301
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:35,920
stuff

1302
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:39,440
is real this is the biggest story

1303
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,799
ever why aren't people caring about this

1304
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,240
why is this a bigger deal and

1305
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,359
i guess maybe i had a simple explanation

1306
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:51,200
i said you know what

1307
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:54,640
the world is complicated enough as it is

1308
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,040
why do we need this crap

1309
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:02,240
so yeah i knew this was huge uh and i

1310
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,720
couldn't

1311
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,040
let go of it and it was very difficult

1312
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:06,319
um at least

1313
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,240
for the first 35 years to convince

1314
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,319
anybody else that it was worth

1315
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,440
their time and i'm really happy to be

1316
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,119
around when we're at this point

1317
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:19,280
in our adult conversation on this

1318
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,480
because it's

1319
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,200
it's going to get even more intriguing

1320
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,880
well one of the things

1321
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,160
you know that's kind of obvious out

1322
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,160
there for all of us is

1323
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,559
the recognition right now that the media

1324
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:32,559
mass media television print

1325
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,000
whatever is is now open and they're not

1326
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,559
playing the x-files music

1327
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,400
you know this this it's never been like

1328
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,400
this before

1329
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:45,440
did that that's true uh you do see

1330
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:48,079
every now and then with decreasing

1331
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:48,960
frequency

1332
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,680
you you do see sort of the uh stock

1333
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:52,559
cookie cutter

1334
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:55,839
sorts of coverage for instance okay

1335
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,280
so a couple of sundays ago you had

1336
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,240
um 60 minutes which did an excellent job

1337
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,079
i thought a terrific

1338
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,520
summary of what this latest publicity is

1339
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,280
all about

1340
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,240
uh i don't know early in the day on cbs

1341
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,280
sunday morning

1342
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:16,319
you had the complete opposite

1343
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:19,760
you had their guy who was doing uh

1344
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:23,280
they had shot stack on there right um

1345
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,480
and i first interviewed seth god

1346
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:29,119
it must have been 30 years ago he came

1347
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,680
down to

1348
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:32,880
florida tech and did a seti

1349
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,240
uh presentation i was enamored of study

1350
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,799
on the front end because i thought well

1351
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,880
okay so you guys are interested in

1352
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,079
contacting life out there and

1353
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,160
you know the things flying around our

1354
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:48,400
own atmosphere too i did not realize

1355
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,760
that they were

1356
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,079
mutually exclusive i had no idea but

1357
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,000
anyway i've been through seth

1358
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,920
long enough to know that he this guy has

1359
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:58,400
not grown at all

1360
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:01,839
into this this realm which is

1361
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:05,040
is becoming cluttered with more and more

1362
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,640
facts

1363
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:09,760
as each month passes and he

1364
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:14,240
you know so i looked at the cbs sunday

1365
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,359
morning

1366
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,960
presentation and it was

1367
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,359
the same old kind of a formula sort of

1368
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,559
thing

1369
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,319
and i thought well this is an absolute

1370
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:26,400
waste of time and furthermore why didn't

1371
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,280
they even

1372
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:29,520
promote to the 60 minutes piece that's

1373
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,319
coming later

1374
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,119
on their same network i didn't really

1375
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,119
understand what that was all about it

1376
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,520
was a little curious to me

1377
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,599
yeah i felt like i've got to take a

1378
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,040
break right here um

1379
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,760
even though i appreciate the 60 minutes

1380
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:44,960
presentation

1381
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,920
and the sunday morning uh uh segment was

1382
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,680
pretty cool too but

1383
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,160
i think 60 minutes kind of mis missed a

1384
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:54,079
pretty good opportunity there

1385
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:56,000
and and one of the reasons i've only got

1386
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,200
10 seconds

1387
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,839
they only mentioned ufo at the beginning

1388
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:01,599
of the 60-minute segment

1389
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,359
one time and so for the for the public

1390
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:08,000
you know for the masses out there that

1391
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:08,720
don't know what

1392
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,079
uap means they know what ufo means and

1393
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,160
what that stands for and

1394
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,480
and 60 minutes to me just missed that

1395
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,799
opportunity to explain to the world

1396
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:21,040
exactly what they were talking about you

1397
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,480
and i get it

1398
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,200
right i'll buy that yeah absolutely sure

1399
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fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight billy

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host jimmy church tonight billy cox is

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here

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ufo journalist on the beat for 40 years

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the ufo subject tomorrow night lisa

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o'hare is here wednesday night lou

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elizondo thursday night ralph blumenthal

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man i've got

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two two journalists on this week

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covering the beat

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that's pretty cool billy um now i want

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to

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let let's let's turn it back a little

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bit i love a good ufo sighting story

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um what happened back in cocoa beach in

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1979

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okay well back then i was uh covering

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sports so i was kind of a night owl

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01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,799
and i had a buddy in town from

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raleigh north carolina where i'm from

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01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:50,480
and uh

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01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,680
my girlfriend and i and steve we went

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out to the beach it was late around 12

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01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,440
30 and went out to the beach because

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offshore off to the east

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01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,720
were these gorgeous sort of uh heat

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lightning clouds

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uh strobin pulsing you know you could

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see little arteries of electricity and

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all that is quite a mesmerizing sight

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and as i recall there was there was uh

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there was no moon a new moon

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and we're walking north along the

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shoreline and and north of cocoa beach

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is cape canaveral and you can see the

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cape jutting out into the atlantic when

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you can see the lighthouse

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back then and there was the the gantries

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the launch pads and all this this is

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before the space shuttle program

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uh that wasn't going to happen until

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1981 this is 1979

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the spring is 79 it's around uh three

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mile island tom if anybody remembers

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that nuclear

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uh potential disaster right and

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anyway it's it's it's it's high thin

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gossamer

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sorts of clouds high layer clouds

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so you can see the stars but it's not

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one of those dazzling

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bright nights of stars anyway we're

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walking north

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along the beach and all of a sudden

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there's something off to the

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to the right up in the sky at about 45

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degrees or thereabouts

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and it's and i looks like it just

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kind of detached itself from the sky and

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it

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i'm doing a lot of interpretation here i

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have no idea if this

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memory is a very cloudy thing but at any

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rate

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i grabbed terry my girlfriend i grabbed

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her arm and i swung around and i said

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look i'm pointing and that's when it

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started to move

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it it was had mass because it was

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blotting out the rest of the sky it was

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big

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01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,279
or close or both it had three red

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triangular configuration non-oscillating

1605
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,520
lights and there was also accompanying

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01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:02,880
this thing

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01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:06,080
a hum like a tuning fork on glass

1608
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:10,400
and it moved north

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01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:14,480
towards the gantries like liquid

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01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:17,359
it almost had an organic quality to it

1611
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,120
and i would say the duration of this

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01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,040
event was maybe

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01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,799
10 seconds max anyway steve went running

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01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:26,159
after this thing

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01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:29,199
i tried running too terry grabbed my arm

1616
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:29,839
she said

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01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,960
no and i shook her off so steve's

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01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,960
running i'm running after steve terry's

1619
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,880
running after me just trying to keep up

1620
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:38,799
with this thing it just kind of tilts

1621
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:42,880
and dissolves this thing is gone

1622
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:45,839
and we just looked at each other like

1623
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:46,560
what

1624
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:49,679
the hell was that and

1625
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:52,640
again you know you've got the nasa and

1626
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:53,040
the

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01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:56,960
canaveral air station you know

1628
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,560
20 miles away not even 10 miles up

1629
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,640
and when i thought you know the audacity

1630
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:04,080
i mean are you kidding me

1631
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:07,440
really really and and that that really

1632
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,080
sort of

1633
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,440
put the hook in me man it was a slow

1634
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,840
warm jimmy i can tell you that because i

1635
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,239
go to the bookstore

1636
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,400
and you know the only place back then

1637
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:20,560
you could find ufo books and

1638
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,920
to some extent it's still that way today

1639
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:26,000
in the occult section right where they

1640
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,120
have all that

1641
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:29,440
satanic stuff and it was reminding me of

1642
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:30,719
those old

1643
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,600
blockbuster videos you know where you

1644
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,440
you know you're looking around you know

1645
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:37,120
if you're near the porn section or

1646
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,800
whatever you want to make sure that

1647
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,719
looking over your shoulders nobody you

1648
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,320
know you know

1649
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:45,440
and so it catches you in the satanic

1650
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:45,920
occult

1651
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:49,360
section looking for ufo books

1652
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:52,719
oh so anyway that's i i i

1653
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,040
i went into it very softly very gently

1654
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,400
and over time i

1655
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,560
was able to talk to i got a little bit

1656
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,280
more confident with it

1657
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,280
wound up talking some of the old pad

1658
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,760
rats from the 1950s and the early

1659
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,840
60s who were out there building kennedy

1660
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,840
space center and they talked about these

1661
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:15,520
things coming over

1662
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:19,199
um back then it was a wilderness

1663
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,960
merit island that that area up there

1664
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,880
uh you know of course it came into being

1665
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:26,640
after world war ii

1666
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:29,199
um from nothing and i can't even imagine

1667
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,000
the sort of

1668
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:32,000
hellish conditions with the mosquitoes

1669
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:33,679
and the heat and everything that they

1670
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,239
had to go

1671
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,679
up against when they're launching those

1672
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,360
early rockets

1673
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,600
but yeah i talked a bunch of old-timers

1674
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,520
over the years and they would tell me

1675
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:43,920
you know just citing stuff no

1676
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,480
nothing uh involving an actual touchdown

1677
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,560
or any abduction stuff that i could tell

1678
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,920
but there were there were sightings

1679
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:51,679
particularly at night

1680
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:55,120
that were just stunning and i got the

1681
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,480
impression

1682
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:58,480
it's kind of word of mouth back then you

1683
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,840
know you didn't really have the

1684
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,360
internet you know i got a friend of a

1685
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,679
friend of a friend that kind of stuff

1686
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:06,159
it's difficult to hook up but but once i

1687
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,080
get them talking i was like

1688
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,159
yeah you know it's this relief i finally

1689
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,080
got somebody who's he's not going to

1690
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,960
think i'm crazy that was a big stigma

1691
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,719
for the longest time people thinking

1692
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,040
you're crazy and now

1693
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,239
you know well look at look at this i it

1694
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,440
it truly is stunning and if nothing else

1695
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,520
ever comes out of this if we don't make

1696
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,080
any more progress at all

1697
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,600
i'm satisfied man this is all like

1698
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,239
cherry and whipped cream on top the idea

1699
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,679
of

1700
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,520
not that i necessarily felt like it

1701
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:41,520
needed to be validated

1702
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,800
but to know that there is

1703
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:47,679
hard data radar data you've got these

1704
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,040
professional pilots unafraid

1705
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,360
to talk about it and now we're having it

1706
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,440
at the top levels of our

1707
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,679
public service you know you've got the

1708
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,520
press secretary the white house you got

1709
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:01,520
obama you've got biden trying to duck

1710
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:02,159
out of it

1711
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,520
i don't blame him really what are you

1712
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,520
supposed to do right but

1713
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:07,840
anyway we've reached a level of maturity

1714
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,640
that i can

1715
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,840
i'm i'm so happy with and if i don't

1716
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,600
learn anything more at least people know

1717
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:15,440
it wasn't just crazy billy there was

1718
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,640
something actually going on up there and

1719
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:20,320
he was on to it

1720
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,960
you saw what you've been reporting on

1721
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:27,600
right the three static red lights the

1722
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:28,560
triangle

1723
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:31,920
it phased out and disappeared the things

1724
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,320
that

1725
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,640
us crazy people you know have been

1726
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:36,400
reporting all these years

1727
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:40,480
that's what you saw yeah yeah

1728
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:43,360
and you know um then again ten years

1729
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,640
later

1730
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,640
um when i was fishing out in the

1731
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:48,000
everglades i

1732
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,679
had this sequence of four photos

1733
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,760
as i'm pulling a yellowtail jack out of

1734
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:55,360
the gulf between

1735
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,400
marco island and everglades city

1736
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,800
i'm pulling a fish out of the water and

1737
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,000
my buddy who takes

1738
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,320
sequence of four photos calls me a week

1739
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,560
later from washington dc

1740
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,400
he says billy i think he got a flying

1741
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:10,480
saucer over your head

1742
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,920
what and uh he said yeah he says i'll

1743
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,159
i'll i'll send you the negatives and and

1744
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:17,840
and the prince

1745
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:20,000
and uh that's that's another story

1746
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:21,040
altogether but

1747
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,719
it was you know there's that trickster

1748
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,800
aspect of this stuff that people like to

1749
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:26,560
talk about a lot

1750
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:29,199
um i think i think there is something to

1751
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,239
be said

1752
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,239
for that i think there was a little

1753
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:34,960
choreography going on here

1754
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:38,239
um you really had a you had a sequence

1755
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,719
of four

1756
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,480
photos and there was something happening

1757
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,000
in each of the photos the first

1758
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,800
two are horizontal the second two are

1759
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,159
vertical

1760
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:52,709
anyway the salient thing that i didn't

1761
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:53,520
even notice

1762
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,560
until six years later when a

1763
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,560
source of mind is an engineer at

1764
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,760
northrop grumman

1765
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,520
he and his buddies took a look at it and

1766
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:02,960
said dude you know

1767
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:05,520
uh what happened to the cloud i said

1768
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,800
what do you mean

1769
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,400
they said look at the first two shots

1770
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:10,000
and look at the second two shots the

1771
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:12,000
second two shots your cloud is missing

1772
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:13,360
this thing went into the cloud and

1773
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,239
zapped it

1774
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,520
i'm calling what how do you see that man

1775
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:19,280
i said i've had this thing for six years

1776
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,440
he said that's what our job is

1777
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,800
that's what we do we look at

1778
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:24,960
environmental stars program

1779
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:28,560
the radar mapping um

1780
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:31,040
plane that was first deployed during the

1781
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,400
gulf war

1782
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,880
in 1991 but anyway he saw that thing

1783
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,120
immediately he says you got about

1784
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,840
35 engineers down here freaked out just

1785
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,679
looking at this display that

1786
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:44,000
that this thing made in these in these

1787
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,280
four photos

1788
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,239
so anyway yeah that would that kind of

1789
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,080
sealed the deal

1790
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,880
and um i know this is a lot of stuff but

1791
01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:54,800
but that was the same day that was may

1792
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:56,760
the 20th

1793
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,760
1989 and that was the same day i've been

1794
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:00,960
in

1795
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,239
correspondence with carl sagan about the

1796
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:06,480
face on mars this back in the day when i

1797
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:07,360
was under the

1798
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,760
i guess you could say the uh the sway of

1799
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,280
uh dick oakland

1800
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:14,080
right um and the cydonia stuff and i was

1801
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:16,000
really curious about the

1802
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,760
the i don't know the dnm pyramid and the

1803
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,840
face on mars which turned out to be a

1804
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,159
mesa like everybody said but at

1805
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,120
any rate i was curious about it and i

1806
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:29,120
was in snail mail correspondence with

1807
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:29,840
with dr

1808
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:33,520
sagan in 1988 i still have those letters

1809
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:36,560
um but anyway the thing that really

1810
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:37,360
caught my eye

1811
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:40,159
i guess this is my first sort of uh

1812
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:41,040
brush with

1813
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,400
what we call synchronicity this was

1814
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,040
um a couple of days later i think i've

1815
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:48,960
still got it here it is

1816
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:52,719
on dot matrix printout um

1817
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:55,520
it's by a guy with gannett news service

1818
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:55,920
named

1819
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:00,719
jay cox cox ithaca new york dateline

1820
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:03,679
it says maybe stephanie oreck thought

1821
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,239
aloud

1822
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:06,560
they were here to visit renowned

1823
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,239
astronomer carl sagan

1824
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:11,280
a professor at cornell university

1825
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:14,400
orex said she recently

1826
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,000
seen a show on ufos visiting florida

1827
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,239
and had wondered why don't they come to

1828
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,239
carl sagan's backyard

1829
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:24,480
dozens of people say that on may 20th

1830
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:26,080
between 9 and 10 p.m

1831
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:29,360
they might have anyway so the very night

1832
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:35,510
sequence of photos taken that of course

1833
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,800
i didn't know anything about

1834
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,880
because david didn't see it i didn't see

1835
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,719
it we didn't hear anything until a week

1836
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,199
later and they showed up on film

1837
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:45,600
found out several days after that after

1838
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:48,880
i got the photos from david

1839
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:52,800
there was sightings in ithaca new york

1840
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:55,600
that night so what does that all mean i

1841
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,159
don't know

1842
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,640
except that i wrote to dr sagan after i

1843
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:00,239
got the guts

1844
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,760
to uh send two of those photos to them i

1845
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:05,600
didn't realize like i said until six

1846
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:07,199
years later after they were taken there

1847
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,239
was something going on in

1848
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,400
every one of the four photos i just sent

1849
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,239
him the third and fourth ones and i

1850
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:14,159
asked him dr sagan

1851
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:17,120
and i included this news story here from

1852
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:18,400
the gannett news service

1853
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:22,000
jay cox and i said

1854
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:24,400
what was over what did you see what was

1855
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,040
going over

1856
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,120
ithaca that night may the 20th and i

1857
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,400
never heard back from it

1858
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,920
of course you didn't no no of course you

1859
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:33,199
didn't

1860
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,239
i know so but anyway i

1861
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:38,560
uh yeah that that really further

1862
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,360
cemented

1863
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,760
the uh this journey that i was on and

1864
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:43,679
i've been on it ever since

1865
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:46,080
now i wanted to i wanted to ask you this

1866
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:46,960
because

1867
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,080
uh everybody develops relationships and

1868
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:52,080
you have your sources and

1869
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,199
and things and i can only imagine uh

1870
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:57,199
what your old-fashioned rolodex

1871
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:00,960
uh must be like um

1872
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,229
do do you start to get contacted i want

1873
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:09,760
you to think about this for a second do

1874
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:12,480
you start to get contacted by

1875
01:19:16,030 --> 01:19:15,199
people that you may not fully trust

1876
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,040
maybe

1877
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:18,800
agency-like individuals that are now

1878
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,520
reaching out to you

1879
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,600
are you going somewhere with this jimmy

1880
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:27,760
you know i am that's it because

1881
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:30,960
are you talking about alien autopsy uh

1882
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:34,320
we can go there too as well

1883
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,760
uh well let's see i i i can't say

1884
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,560
if if you're asking about like a deep

1885
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,320
throat no i never got

1886
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:44,159
any of that i was never far enough up

1887
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:45,760
the food chain

1888
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,760
um for that kind of stuff

1889
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:52,640
uh what are you kind of nudging me

1890
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:55,360
towards and i can comment on if you want

1891
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:58,640
the the thing is this is that once you

1892
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:59,440
have a

1893
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:01,840
certain uh influence out there and

1894
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,080
you're out there writing on this

1895
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:05,760
you start to get approached by

1896
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,440
individuals that you

1897
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:09,280
may have even heard from for the first

1898
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:10,560
time that have

1899
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:13,840
information you have your own sources

1900
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:17,120
and and stuff um did you ever feel that

1901
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:18,000
maybe

1902
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,600
you were presented stuff that was

1903
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:21,520
misleading

1904
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:27,520
never felt like i was a target of a

1905
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,679
disinformation campaign again because i

1906
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:30,800
was never a big

1907
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:34,159
very big fish i will say uh that there

1908
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,199
was a fellow

1909
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:37,760
is the first abduction guy i ever met

1910
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,239
his name was john frick

1911
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,199
and john he's a little guy he's been

1912
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:45,440
gone for a number of years now but he

1913
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:45,760
was

1914
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:48,960
absolutely convinced that he drew

1915
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,080
the craft that he was on and he was

1916
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:54,080
talking about the sex that he had with

1917
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:54,480
this

1918
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:01,280
um he gave me the first time i'd ever

1919
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:01,920
heard of

1920
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,560
general macarthur in the interplanetary

1921
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:06,320
phenomenon unit

1922
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:09,920
and he also gave me this

1923
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:12,400
speech that macarthur had written about

1924
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,360
the next war is going to be

1925
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:15,920
interplanetary

1926
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:18,320
and again this is like 1982 and i'm

1927
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,320
really new to this stuff i don't really

1928
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:22,239
know how to be

1929
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:25,920
discerning on this and again it's before

1930
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,600
the internet and it's all snail mail and

1931
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,600
you really have to go through books

1932
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,920
and you know people read a lot more back

1933
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:34,960
then but

1934
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,679
i did i couldn't tell you up from down

1935
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:39,760
back then i still have trouble with that

1936
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:44,400
you know with proportionality and and uh

1937
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,520
what's real and what what isn't um

1938
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,080
but that was the first abduct i'd never

1939
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,840
really heard of the abduction stuff well

1940
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:54,000
no that's not exactly true i do remember

1941
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:54,719
reading about

1942
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,000
betty and barney hill um but

1943
01:22:01,669 --> 01:22:00,800
in terms of being directly confronted by

1944
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:01,679
a guy who was

1945
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:06,320
absolutely deadpanned very serious

1946
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,280
and i you know the whole thing seemed

1947
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:11,199
ludicrous to me at the time and i

1948
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:13,520
i certainly though i didn't want to

1949
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,199
contradict him

1950
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,199
because he seemed like he was trusting

1951
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,520
me with this material and i wrote it as

1952
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:22,000
as well as i could i guess and tried to

1953
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:23,440
be

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01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,800
dispassionate and and thorough and fair

1955
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,400
you know back then i was calling people

1956
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,040
like jim oberg

1957
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:33,440
and he was like one and one of the

1958
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:34,639
preeminent

1959
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,960
skeptics with a capital s and then of

1960
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,000
course there was still

1961
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,120
class who i had some run-ins with and

1962
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:44,400
came to understand through

1963
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:46,080
trial and error that he was a

1964
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:47,600
propagandist and i

1965
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:50,800
that felt kind of kind of bad

1966
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,560
felt like i had been sort of um

1967
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:56,400
i don't want to say deliberately misled

1968
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,600
i think a lot of times

1969
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:59,199
phil actually believes some of the stuff

1970
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:01,120
that he was saying

1971
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,920
um but he wasn't like targeting me as if

1972
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,000
to try to plan a fake story with me

1973
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,159
was just you know we we would talk so i

1974
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:09,840
can't say that i was singled out i was

1975
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:10,239
never

1976
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:17,040
and moving on to uh more of a modern

1977
01:23:20,270 --> 01:23:18,159
context

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01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,280
we all know what happened in december of

1979
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2017.

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01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:25,280
and i want to address that if i can for

1981
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:26,320
a second

1982
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:30,560
do you feel that the legal side

1983
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:34,560
of the new york times looked at this

1984
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:35,360
article

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01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,960
and decided on its own merits to release

1986
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:39,679
it

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01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:42,960
as a as

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01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:49,350
boy that's a good question i wish i had

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01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:50,719
some special

1990
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:53,760
insights into that

1991
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:57,360
um i will say that my impression is

1992
01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:59,840
that uh i still have some unanswered

1993
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:01,920
questions it seemed like the role

1994
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:05,040
i can probably i'll tell you what i

1995
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:05,920
think about the

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01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,120
ttsa for instance um i i

1997
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:11,920
think de long is absolutely responsible

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01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,960
for

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01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,639
pulling all of this stuff together

2000
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:16,320
regardless of some of the remarks or

2001
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:17,440
comments that he's

2002
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:20,880
that he's made i do think that

2003
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,199
the rollout was was a little bit erratic

2004
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:27,520
i don't know that they had their game

2005
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,040
plan all together

2006
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:30,960
at that time but i do think when you

2007
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:38,870
with considering the magnitude of this

2008
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,560
issue i think

2009
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,960
you have to go for the opening and force

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01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,719
your way through it regardless of how

2011
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:46,880
big or how small that opening is

2012
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:49,840
for instance i never really understood

2013
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,239
why

2014
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:53,120
the go fast was not released with the

2015
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:53,679
gimbal

2016
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,480
and the flear do you know have you been

2017
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:58,400
through that

2018
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:01,520
a lot okay so why was the

2019
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,760
go fast held back uh several months

2020
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:08,800
uh you're asking me yeah yeah yeah yeah

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01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,239
yeah um my feet are a little close to

2022
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:13,840
the fire on this

2023
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,320
on on all of this but i i'll say this

2024
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,360
i think that they didn't want to they

2025
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:23,280
were looking at the long term

2026
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:24,880
i think they were looking at the years

2027
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,320
ahead they had

2028
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:28,320
those three videos that they were

2029
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:29,520
sitting on

2030
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:32,480
and promising a lot of other stuff but

2031
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:32,800
they

2032
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:36,320
the the other stuff never came in so

2033
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,800
i think that that's why two videos were

2034
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,480
released first and then a few months

2035
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:41,920
later you had

2036
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:46,159
uh the go fast so in other words it was

2037
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:46,960
to kind of

2038
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,920
extend uh the interest right you didn't

2039
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,040
want to like uh

2040
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:53,120
blow it all at once blow it all out at

2041
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,320
once you want to kind of

2042
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,480
maybe give you another little teaser i

2043
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:58,639
think that's a safe way to look at it

2044
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:01,840
okay all right well yeah um that that

2045
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:04,239
is strategically that that that makes a

2046
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:05,440
lot of sense

2047
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:08,960
i just wasn't sure why it rolled out

2048
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:11,760
that way i know that there were some

2049
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:14,639
um questions during the rollout about

2050
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:15,280
you know

2051
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:18,800
lou's credentials exactly now um

2052
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:22,080
you know i've met uh lou we've

2053
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,120
spoken on a number of occasions and

2054
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:27,760
um you know the more i talk with him the

2055
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:28,239
more

2056
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,280
convinced i am that that he is the right

2057
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:33,360
guy at the right time

2058
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:36,719
with this um however i also

2059
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:39,679
think that it might have worked better

2060
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:40,960
to his advantage

2061
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:44,800
if you know the credentials you know uh

2062
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:48,239
had been uh put out there on the front

2063
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:48,880
end

2064
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,080
so there was no ambiguity about

2065
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,239
uh what his responsibilities and

2066
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,239
assignment was i know that there's still

2067
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,400
lots of controversy i know the ig's

2068
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:00,159
looking into

2069
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:04,000
you know the contradictory claims

2070
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,760
that the pentagon is still putting out

2071
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:07,280
there about

2072
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,560
who who he was and and what he did

2073
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:13,040
i don't think they're on the right side

2074
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:14,000
of history but

2075
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:17,199
then hey what do i know i'm looking at

2076
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,000
all this stuff from

2077
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,400
a distance but it is is one hell of a

2078
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,800
drama man i'm just loving this ride

2079
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,560
yeah and you you wrote about it

2080
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,719
constantly and i i read everything that

2081
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:28,800
you put out about it did you

2082
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:33,199
did you think back then in december that

2083
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:37,280
ttsa wouldn't be around in 2021

2084
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:41,199
no i mean i i didn't know what to make

2085
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,679
of

2086
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:43,760
you mean on the front end no i've never

2087
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:46,719
seen anything like this but i knew

2088
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,239
the minute i know i was uh i was bike

2089
01:27:53,629 --> 01:27:52,639
riding i came in that saturday afternoon

2090
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:53,639
in december

2091
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,719
2017 logged on

2092
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,440
and i went holy spit you know new york

2093
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,639
times there it is and then there's

2094
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:02,159
politico

2095
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,239
and i knew and that's that's an historic

2096
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:06,639
newspaper and i went out the next day

2097
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:09,520
to buy a newspaper so i could so i could

2098
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:10,800
have it you know i

2099
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:12,560
know this is a game changer and it's

2100
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:14,159
it's it's taken

2101
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:17,360
a while but that conversation

2102
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,480
um will never be the same

2103
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,560
and i don't know where we go from here i

2104
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:24,960
mean i i don't know

2105
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:28,400
what happens with what the pentagon

2106
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:29,920
comes up with i don't know what they're

2107
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:30,560
going to say

2108
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:34,239
but but even if there's nothing there

2109
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,560
we are we are changed and we don't even

2110
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,040
we don't even understand there's no way

2111
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:43,520
we can understand

2112
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,600
what's ahead we've never had a

2113
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:49,280
i don't want to say confrontation but

2114
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:51,520
we've never had a moment

2115
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,159
like this and i don't know how even if

2116
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,639
you want this stuff to come out

2117
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,800
i don't know how you game this stuff out

2118
01:29:02,870 --> 01:28:59,840
jimmy

2119
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:02,880
i mean how do you plan for this and i

2120
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,159
think we're at a really fragile point

2121
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,120
in our democracy i don't want to get too

2122
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:10,960
highfalutin here

2123
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,310
tenuous right now and i think it's

2124
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,159
i think it's really interesting that

2125
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:22,080
that this conversation

2126
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,920
is accelerating at a moment when we're

2127
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,520
we're really at a crossroads and it's

2128
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:29,120
not just here in the united states i

2129
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,239
think democracies across the world

2130
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:34,159
are imperiled and i don't think it's

2131
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,000
necessarily

2132
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:38,560
because of politics i think it's

2133
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:40,960
behavioral in large part

2134
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,440
forged in many ways by the digital

2135
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:45,840
domain the dopamine addiction

2136
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:48,480
that our social media has nurtured and

2137
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:49,520
perpetuated

2138
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:52,560
over the last decade or so that's kind

2139
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:55,520
of scary this is terra incognita

2140
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,800
and and you know i there was a piece in

2141
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,880
the scientific american last summer i

2142
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:02,639
think last august that i was really

2143
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,520
impressed by

2144
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,520
you know they came right out and said we

2145
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:07,760
need all hands on deck

2146
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:11,040
to discuss really about the science of

2147
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:14,560
of going forward with this ufo stuff and

2148
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:17,199
they went back in history and they

2149
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:18,560
talked about scope

2150
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,840
okay last summer we're still in the

2151
01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:22,560
middle of pandemic they talked about how

2152
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:24,800
after the plague the black death

2153
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:28,080
um in the in the middle ages coming out

2154
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:29,679
on the other side of that it was this

2155
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:30,320
great

2156
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:33,760
flourishing um this renaissance and and

2157
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:34,560
everything

2158
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:38,239
and and science and and and math and

2159
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:41,520
art architecture everything came out

2160
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:43,520
better on the other side and that's why

2161
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:45,600
i think that this crossroads were there

2162
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:49,120
we're at it could go either way or

2163
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:52,639
always and i don't know where it starts

2164
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:54,320
but i think we're at a very fragile

2165
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:55,120
moment

2166
01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:56,639
i couldn't agree with him yeah i

2167
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:58,400
couldn't agree with you more billy

2168
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,719
let's take our break right here this is

2169
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:02,400
fade to black i'm your host jimmy church

2170
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:04,400
tonight billy cox

2171
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:07,360
it's been doing the ufo beat for 40

2172
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:08,239
years

2173
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:10,480
so much to discuss we'll pick it up

2174
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:11,920
where we're leaving off right here this

2175
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:13,199
is fade to black and the game changer

2176
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:13,920
network

2177
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:16,239
and kg are a the planet i'm your i'm

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01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:28,830
[Music]

2179
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:35,430
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2180
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:38,560
you're listening to fade to black

2181
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:40,400
always on the edge of the hottest

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01:31:49,020 --> 01:31:41,600
alternative talk

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01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:56,830
[Applause]

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01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,470
do you want to be an official fate or

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not of course you do

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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is jimmy church and i'll be at the ufo

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headed do you wonder about the

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food supply i do disruptions in the food

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billy

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uh you know talking about all of this

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intelligence committee

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the ig the dod of marco rubio your guy

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right

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there's that and i think one of the most

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explosive things to come out in the last

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three years

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01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:05,199
is the wilson davis document um i want

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to talk about that for a second when you

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first were aware of it what went through

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well let me go back a little bit um i

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interviewed ed mitchell back in

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01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:23,040
i want to say 1995

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late 1995 he was in town

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for a an anniversary of his apollo

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flight he was in rockledge and

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we several of us went out to eat that

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night

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and several of the people on the staff

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01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:39,199
of the paper known

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ed for a while and i was you know they

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say billy you want to

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come along oh yeah meet a moonwalker

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01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:45,360
yeah sure

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01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,480
you better believe it so anyway um we're

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01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:49,920
talking about this and that

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01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:54,639
and um he volunteered now i'm still

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01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,800
kind of a relative newcomer to the ufo

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01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:00,719
stuff i don't have my sea legs

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01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:04,880
so to speak and ed

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01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:08,000
dr mitchell volunteered uh about

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01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,840
he had been this was kind of like out of

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01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,639
nowhere uh

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01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,719
knowing that i'm a newspaper reporter

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01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,560
and he talked about some

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01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:18,880
high-level discussions he'd been having

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01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:21,199
about this ufo

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01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:24,400
situation and that um

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01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:27,520
there what he had discovered that there

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01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:28,080
was

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01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:31,199
a um he had a

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01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:34,000
conversation with a high-ranking

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01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:34,880
military

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01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:38,239
official who attempted to

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01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:41,360
get to the core of what's out there and

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01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:44,560
he was blocked um

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01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:49,360
from from digging any farther because

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01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:51,440
he didn't have the right credentials the

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01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:52,400
right

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01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:53,920
security clearance or rather i should

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01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,239
say the need to know

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01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,440
and um i thought

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01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,000
i didn't know anything at the time or

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01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:04,159
very little about the rockefeller

2365
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:08,239
uh initiative um i

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01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:09,679
had heard a little bit about it but

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01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:12,000
didn't know necessarily that that dr

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01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:13,360
mitchell was hooked up with

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01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:16,960
with that i wrote a story uh it was one

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01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:17,600
of my

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01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:20,400
ufo stories um you know i i definitely

2372
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:20,880
pegged

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01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:25,199
the lead to the to the ufo stuff and um

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01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:28,239
i that was it it was kind of a one-off

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01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:29,760
and then

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01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:33,280
10 years or so later no

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01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:35,600
yeah a little later than that maybe 13

2378
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:36,800
years later anyway

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01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:40,400
there's uh larry king and there's

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01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:43,600
dr mitchell talking about

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01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:47,760
this stonewall

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01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:51,119
that he got and i was contacted

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01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,320
um by someone who

2384
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:56,320
mentioned i don't know if i should use

2385
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:57,760
her name because i haven't talked to him

2386
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:59,520
about it but anyway he said yeah this

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01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:00,880
guy he's talking about

2388
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:04,000
is admiral tom wilson you

2389
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:06,080
know you should give him a buzz and

2390
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:07,679
that's the guy who was

2391
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:12,239
denied the uh the look-see

2392
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:16,159
so and and i found

2393
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:18,159
admiral wilson i called him up i think

2394
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,600
he was working for a

2395
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,520
defense contractor at the time up in

2396
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,440
minnesota i could be wrong about that

2397
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:25,360
but at any rate

2398
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,560
um i asked him straight up you know

2399
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,239
there's there's uh

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01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:33,360
dr mitchell on larry king last night and

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01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:34,080
he's just

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01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,600
essentially inferring that you were the

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01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,199
guy who

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01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,080
met with him and he just like he told

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01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:41,840
richard dolan i mean yeah

2406
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:44,880
he met with ed mitchell and was was

2407
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,480
kind of interested in meeting an

2408
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,080
astronaut but

2409
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:50,239
hey i have no real interest in the ufo

2410
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:51,199
stuff i mean

2411
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,199
i was hearing him out but i didn't think

2412
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,880
there was anything to it not enough

2413
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:55,920
anyway to

2414
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,280
to pursue so i didn't pursue it and i

2415
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:01,440
got back with dr mitchell

2416
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:04,880
i mean immediately i relayed wilson's

2417
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,159
comments to him and

2418
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:09,199
and mitchell said

2419
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:11,119
uh he was stunned i mean he was like

2420
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:12,400
literally the loss

2421
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:16,000
for words and uh

2422
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:20,239
i i said well i'm shocked

2423
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:23,840
and i said well well are you saying

2424
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:26,880
that admiral wilson is a liar

2425
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,960
he said i something to the effect that i

2426
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:32,960
uh would choose not to engage him

2427
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:34,880
further on this

2428
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,480
i mean dr mitchell was a gentleman

2429
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:41,440
i mean just one of these rare people who

2430
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,560
uh

2431
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:44,159
made you feel at home but also you

2432
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:46,000
realize he was not a part of this earth

2433
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,280
because he literally had been

2434
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:49,840
farther away than any other human and so

2435
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:51,440
he was

2436
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,960
is a compelling character but i didn't

2437
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,639
i mean i got the sense that he was

2438
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:58,560
definitely taken aback like he did not

2439
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:01,119
expect

2440
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:04,320
that sort of of rejection

2441
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:06,400
he thought that he thought that admiral

2442
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,000
wilson was

2443
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,520
was with him yes yes

2444
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:13,760
yeah yeah he thought admiral wilson was

2445
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:14,560
going to

2446
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:17,600
to to support uh everything that he had

2447
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:18,639
said

2448
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,800
and wilson you know was telling me very

2449
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,159
conversational he didn't

2450
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:24,400
appear all that defensive he just said

2451
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:25,600
yeah

2452
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:27,440
you know i just never looked into it and

2453
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:29,360
i don't know if i believed it or not i

2454
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:31,040
just well i've got

2455
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,960
wilson's side and i've got mitchell's

2456
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:35,280
side and i wrote a little blog

2457
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:38,880
back in 2008 and then of course

2458
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:42,320
you know 10 years later when

2459
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:46,239
this eric davis uh wilson

2460
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:49,199
memo comes out there i went oh my god

2461
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:50,800
look at this and then i thought richard

2462
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:52,239
dolan did a really good job

2463
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,880
of explaining you know walking you

2464
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:56,320
through it

2465
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:58,639
and you know of course by then

2466
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:00,880
unfortunately dr

2467
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,000
mitchell was gone but um

2468
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:08,159
and i couldn't find the number i i'd

2469
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:09,520
lost touch with uh

2470
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,800
admiral wilson and then um i guess you

2471
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:14,000
could call him a colleague

2472
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,880
uh from outside the u.s

2473
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,560
said he approached me he said are you

2474
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,000
going to call you

2475
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:23,840
call admiral wilson i said well i'd love

2476
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,360
to i just don't have his number he said

2477
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:27,600
here's his number

2478
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:31,360
so i gave him a buzz and

2479
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:33,920
um of course he repeated everything that

2480
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:37,199
he said back you know 10 years earlier

2481
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:41,840
and he didn't really sound pissed off

2482
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,360
he like he sounded kind of like he was

2483
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:47,520
almost glad to talk about it and he

2484
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:50,000
indicated to me that

2485
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:51,840
he said what's going on out there i said

2486
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:53,119
what do you mean he says well you're not

2487
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:54,080
the first person

2488
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:55,920
to call me about this in the last couple

2489
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:57,760
of days he said what's

2490
01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:02,000
what's up i i said you know i mentioned

2491
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:02,320
this

2492
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:06,560
there's there's nothing to that and he

2493
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:08,000
says i wouldn't know

2494
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,239
eric davis as he if he walked into the

2495
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:11,840
room

2496
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:19,109
i tried to reach dr davis i i was unable

2497
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:20,719
to do so

2498
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,440
and so i had one side of the story to

2499
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:25,040
report

2500
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,360
and of course you know we've gotten a

2501
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:29,040
little bit more information

2502
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,560
since all that happened evidently dr

2503
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:34,719
davis continues to

2504
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:37,760
testify to congress

2505
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:42,639
behind closed door and you know i

2506
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,960
i kind of appreciate the predicament

2507
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,320
that that he's in

2508
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:48,800
however you know the the ball is in his

2509
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:51,119
court and how he chooses to play it he's

2510
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:53,199
evidently chosen not to play it yet

2511
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:54,800
um you know that's that's going to be

2512
01:46:01,030 --> 01:45:58,159
his his choice you know his timing

2513
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:01,040
um well let me let me let me jump in

2514
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,719
billy because i want the audience to

2515
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:04,320
understand that

2516
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:06,639
um they know about the coverage that i

2517
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:07,679
did on this uh

2518
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:10,239
richard and i got the documents on the

2519
01:46:15,510 --> 01:46:12,960
very same day um

2520
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,520
emailed to us grant cameron had told me

2521
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:17,280
about what was happening a few months

2522
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:18,719
before that

2523
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:22,560
um dolan of course had a couple of pages

2524
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:23,600
of this document

2525
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,040
probably 2008 or so

2526
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:29,679
but you were right in the middle of all

2527
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:30,080
of this

2528
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,560
and i was talking to richard he goes

2529
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:34,400
dude you got to call billy cox

2530
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:38,480
he just talked to wilson i was like what

2531
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:41,840
he what now um so as you're starting to

2532
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:43,119
put all of this together

2533
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,360
you know about your conversations with

2534
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:47,040
ed mitchell now you're reading this

2535
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:47,920
document

2536
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:53,360
opinion supported ed mitchell's position

2537
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:56,239
and that wilson had to back pedal i mean

2538
01:47:03,109 --> 01:46:56,560
what

2539
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:03,940
uh

2540
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:11,750
that's a good question jimmy um

2541
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:15,030
uh i i don't want to accuse

2542
01:47:21,990 --> 01:47:18,880
anyone of of lying

2543
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:22,000
although i i know that uh

2544
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:24,159
eric davis has a very credible

2545
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:25,119
reputation

2546
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:27,840
and i know the same about um admiral

2547
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,360
wilson

2548
01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:32,560
um coming down they i

2549
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:36,159
you know if dr davis

2550
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:39,280
has an nda okay i

2551
01:47:49,750 --> 01:47:47,270
i i would love to see him address this

2552
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:49,760
i i really because you know there

2553
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:52,159
there's a cloud

2554
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:55,199
over him or

2555
01:48:02,310 --> 01:47:59,199
there's a cloud over admiral wilson

2556
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,320
and um like i said when i when i

2557
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:04,560
when i talk to admiral wilson he didn't

2558
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:06,560
appear to have his dander up i mean he

2559
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:07,600
didn't appear

2560
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:10,639
pissed off or irritated in fact he

2561
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:12,639
seemed very conversational and kind of

2562
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:14,800
jocular almost like he was kind of glad

2563
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:16,639
to talk about it

2564
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:19,840
i i don't know how to interpret that

2565
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:23,040
um but the the notes

2566
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:26,480
from what i read uh were

2567
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:29,679
so detailed um it sounded to me like it

2568
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,840
had to come off of a tape recorded

2569
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:33,840
conversation again this is

2570
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:37,119
i'm not a big fish i would i was late

2571
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,239
to this this davis wilson

2572
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:42,560
memo i am not on anybody's a-list when

2573
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:44,320
it comes to this stuff so

2574
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:48,320
um but the idea that you know uh

2575
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:52,639
wilson was so easy to reach

2576
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,800
not for me anyway initially because i'd

2577
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,320
lost his phone number and then i get a

2578
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:57,920
phone call from or rather

2579
01:49:01,830 --> 01:49:01,119
a message facebook message from a from a

2580
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:01,840
colleague

2581
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,719
um out of the country with his number

2582
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:05,920
and i said oh

2583
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,320
yeah you know i'll pick up the

2584
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:10,080
phone least i can do and there he was

2585
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:10,719
you know

2586
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:14,400
two or three rings in and we had a

2587
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:17,520
quick conversation and you know

2588
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:19,840
like i said now the ball's in davis's

2589
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:21,920
core i i really

2590
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:24,400
because it is so detailed because there

2591
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:25,280
are

2592
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,719
effort to contact as many of the people

2593
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:35,040
that i could find in and you know whose

2594
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:36,719
names were mentioned

2595
01:49:44,940 --> 01:49:41,280
um and the davis memo

2596
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:44,950
most of them weren't very helpful

2597
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:46,480
[Music]

2598
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:49,599
several people were nervous

2599
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:52,719
but they could not really shed any light

2600
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:55,280
on the idea that there had been

2601
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:00,080
any stonewalling when it comes to saps

2602
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:04,320
and the the ufos i mean i i

2603
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:07,360
nobody would would go near that

2604
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:10,719
it was either i don't remember or that

2605
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:11,199
was

2606
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:19,360
evasion going on there

2607
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:22,159
i felt and some of these folks are still

2608
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:22,880
around

2609
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,840
um and i'd like to think that you know

2610
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:27,679
maybe it's time to circle back just to

2611
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:28,080
see

2612
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:29,440
i mean they're not getting any younger

2613
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:31,280
that's for sure

2614
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,040
um but you know i

2615
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:37,520
it's it's fascinating and and that's the

2616
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:38,400
smoking gun

2617
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,920
that's just it i do think that document

2618
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,320
really and we don't know the contractor

2619
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,159
that they're talking about but you know

2620
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:48,960
uh harry reids talked about uh lockheed

2621
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:49,520
martin

2622
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:52,639
and i don't know uh

2623
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:54,960
i don't know where we go from here and

2624
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:55,679
unless

2625
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:58,159
eric davis chooses to talk i i don't

2626
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:00,480
know what more there is to be done

2627
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:04,000
with that unless there are sources

2628
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:08,239
of people in those notes who choose to

2629
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:11,360
be as candid as

2630
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:13,760
they might possibly be but i was not

2631
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,760
able to get any sort of that candor

2632
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:17,760
out of these folks that i that i did

2633
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,040
talk to like i said

2634
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,920
they were very you know kind of skittish

2635
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:23,440
one guy even changed his phone number i

2636
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:25,440
forget which one it was

2637
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:28,880
um but he was up in the panhandle

2638
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:32,719
of florida and he was on one of those

2639
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:35,679
find anywho.com

2640
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,320
and i i had left a message

2641
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:42,639
i think i left a message this was last

2642
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:44,880
novices had to be two years ago now

2643
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:46,719
because last year was a pandemic and

2644
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:47,599
anyway

2645
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:51,520
he had changed his number i i um

2646
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:55,360
he just vanished i mean overnight so

2647
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:58,239
i don't know uh it's a mystery um and

2648
01:52:00,709 --> 01:52:00,080
people who say well you can't keep a

2649
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:00,719
secret

2650
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,159
i would challenge that very seriously

2651
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,679
i think they've been pretty good about

2652
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:07,760
keeping secrets for such a long time

2653
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:08,719
it's just that the

2654
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,480
weight of the evidence now is becoming

2655
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:12,639
overwhelming

2656
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:16,320
and i i you know if we may

2657
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,199
be going forward but we're also jimmy

2658
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:21,199
we're going to have to look back

2659
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:24,400
and there has to be an accounting uh for

2660
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:25,760
how this lead

2661
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,280
what because this goes to the

2662
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,520
credibility i think if i'm a taxpayer

2663
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,679
go whoa it's a 900 million billion

2664
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,840
dollars a year in defense and we can't

2665
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:35,520
police our own scouts what are we paying

2666
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,199
taxes for

2667
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,920
you know and i i think we have to look

2668
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,000
not only forward but backward and

2669
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:44,639
honestly a lot of this is a theta

2670
01:52:47,669 --> 01:52:45,360
complete

2671
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:47,679
not only with the government of uh uh

2672
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:48,719
officials who've

2673
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:50,719
kept the lid on this and the contractors

2674
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:52,560
but also the media

2675
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:55,679
the media bear a large share of

2676
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:58,400
the blame for the reason that this has

2677
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:59,520
stayed secret

2678
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:02,800
for such a long time and um you know

2679
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,920
that that may be worth uh writing about

2680
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:07,440
in terms of something a little bit

2681
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,960
longer than what i've been able to piece

2682
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:10,080
together through my

2683
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:13,520
my devoid blogs and columns

2684
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,239
because we don't really we don't really

2685
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:17,920
understand our own history because we

2686
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:18,400
don't have

2687
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:20,480
access to it not this aspect of our

2688
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:22,639
history and it's probably

2689
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:25,360
i think arguably the most important part

2690
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:26,400
of our history

2691
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:29,840
we have to have a full accounting

2692
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:33,760
really i think before we can go forward

2693
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:37,840
to to to see where we went off the rails

2694
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,320
initially i mean the world war ii cold

2695
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:42,000
war mentality

2696
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:45,040
um is has has kept us against the wall

2697
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,960
and in the dark for such a long time and

2698
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:49,280
we may be entering a new cold war

2699
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:51,040
but that doesn't mean we can't afford to

2700
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:52,880
lift the truth out and and

2701
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:55,199
i'm i'm really honestly i'm kind of

2702
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:56,719
concerned

2703
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:59,360
about where we are psychologically this

2704
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:01,440
country at this point in time

2705
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,400
um with the digital stuff the behavioral

2706
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:07,119
aspects of the digital domain

2707
01:54:10,149 --> 01:54:08,960
and where we go from here especially at

2708
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:10,159
a time when

2709
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:13,920
we look extremely vulnerable

2710
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,719
to this hyper advanced technology that

2711
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:18,400
appears to be run in circles around our

2712
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:19,760
front lines westminster

2713
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:23,520
so i think it's and

2714
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:25,520
i don't know i always thought for the

2715
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:27,679
longest time jenny that this is a

2716
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:30,719
great uniter issue because the ufos they

2717
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,199
don't skew right or left

2718
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:35,360
but now i've got the sense of dread okay

2719
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,880
it's just going to be a matter of time

2720
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:38,639
right before they start to politicize

2721
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:39,840
this i don't know how that's going to

2722
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:40,800
happen

2723
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,960
but i'm bracing for it i don't like that

2724
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:44,239
feeling

2725
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:45,920
you know and i that's why i think it's

2726
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:47,840
just as important as ever

2727
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:50,960
urgent even to get the facts on the

2728
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:51,679
table

2729
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:53,840
about what this is i mean we're going to

2730
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:55,440
have rumors no matter what the facts

2731
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:57,119
turn out to be people are going to

2732
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:59,760
put their own spin on it but we need an

2733
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:00,560
accounting

2734
01:55:05,589 --> 01:55:03,679
we've got to have this and uh i wish i

2735
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:05,599
was about 20 years younger so i could be

2736
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:06,560
uh you know

2737
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:09,920
a part of it but you know hey

2738
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,400
maybe maybe the next lifetime huh yeah

2739
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:14,719
i've been thinking the same thing i'm 58

2740
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,480
i'm thinking man i need i need another

2741
01:55:20,709 --> 01:55:18,639
25 years man exactly

2742
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,719
exactly i suspect it might be like an

2743
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,080
onion skin there may no

2744
01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:23,920
there may not be a center to it it just

2745
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:25,760
may be one peeling the layer after

2746
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:27,199
another and

2747
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:29,199
i don't know where it's going to end i

2748
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:30,560
don't know if that anybody knows where

2749
01:55:32,870 --> 01:55:32,480
it's going to end but boy what a ride

2750
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:32,880
huh

2751
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:35,599
hasn't it's been a great ride it has

2752
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:36,000
been

2753
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,360
um uh one last uh thought on the wilson

2754
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:41,679
davis document before we uh take a break

2755
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:43,119
here which is this

2756
01:55:47,430 --> 01:55:45,679
there are parts of that document that

2757
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:47,440
are based on fact

2758
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,920
where we can connect the dots uh the

2759
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:51,920
greer meeting at the pentagon with edgar

2760
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,520
mitchell for instance right that

2761
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:55,520
actually happened i spoke to dr greer

2762
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,159
about this

2763
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:58,880
and and and there's other elements about

2764
01:56:03,430 --> 01:55:59,280
this

2765
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:03,440
uh and and the letter but anyway

2766
01:56:09,109 --> 01:56:07,040
the the fact that wilson wants to just

2767
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:09,119
backpedal and say hey i never met eric

2768
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:09,840
davis

2769
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:13,199
but we have this extent extensive amount

2770
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:14,719
of detail

2771
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,520
that is presented there it's kind of

2772
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:19,840
difficult to say that eric davis made it

2773
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:20,400
all up

2774
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:26,320
it's it's a weird conundrum that we find

2775
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,239
ourselves in i

2776
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:30,480
well as you yeah that's just it it's the

2777
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:31,840
amount of details

2778
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:35,119
jimmy i i i don't know

2779
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:38,159
how you do that kind of research get all

2780
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:39,679
those names

2781
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:42,480
um and they were in the exact at least

2782
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:44,560
the ones that i was able to interview

2783
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:46,400
they were in the exact place at the

2784
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:49,040
exact time that was in those notes so if

2785
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,360
this

2786
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:51,920
is a fraud which i have my suspicions

2787
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:53,440
about i don't think so

2788
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:57,599
but um the research that went into this

2789
01:57:02,070 --> 01:56:59,360
if that's what this is if this is a

2790
01:57:02,709 --> 01:57:02,080
fabrication that's hellacious research

2791
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:02,719
man they

2792
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,719
they knew what they were doing they knew

2793
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:06,239
they knew what they were talking about

2794
01:57:09,109 --> 01:57:06,960
and it is

2795
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:09,119
absolutely compelling no less so today

2796
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:10,719
than it was a couple years ago i don't

2797
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,520
think

2798
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:13,199
well the one you know the one part that

2799
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:14,560
i brought up about this

2800
01:57:18,629 --> 01:57:16,880
wouldn't it be simple for eric davis

2801
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:18,639
just to come forward and say look here's

2802
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:18,960
my

2803
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:22,880
vegas on this day

2804
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:25,920
right but i don't know if he's willing

2805
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:27,280
to do that

2806
01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:31,760
well um i don't know what he would have

2807
01:57:35,510 --> 01:57:33,280
to lose

2808
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:35,520
uh by presenting those planes tickets

2809
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:36,560
now i don't know how

2810
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:38,719
20 years later you you have a record

2811
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:40,719
that maybe there's some deep database or

2812
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:41,760
where you know

2813
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:44,800
delta airlines or or whatever but i i

2814
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:45,360
think

2815
01:57:51,750 --> 01:57:48,639
certainly um that

2816
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:51,760
that that could go a long way

2817
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:54,480
but here you've got to prove that wilson

2818
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:56,480
was in las vegas i think he told me he

2819
01:58:01,350 --> 01:57:58,080
hadn't been to vegas since the

2820
01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:01,360
what the 19 whatever the 60s or whatnot

2821
01:58:05,830 --> 01:58:04,080
right um and then of course you know

2822
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:05,840
there's the protocols he was trying to

2823
01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:06,880
say that well look

2824
01:58:10,709 --> 01:58:08,639
you know they're saying that i had had

2825
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,719
all these military escorts

2826
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:12,880
uh well you know i've been retired and

2827
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:14,320
that's just not you know some of the

2828
01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:16,159
accoutrements that they give us well

2829
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:18,880
that may or may not be true i don't know

2830
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:21,840
um i mean i i i don't know what the

2831
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:23,679
protocols are but certainly i would

2832
01:58:27,589 --> 01:58:24,800
imagine that um

2833
01:58:27,990 --> 01:58:27,599
that's in a book somewhere now that was

2834
01:58:30,149 --> 01:58:28,000
uh

2835
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:30,159
i've got about 60 seconds left that was

2836
01:58:35,669 --> 01:58:32,880
one of the points that was brought up

2837
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:35,679
uh by uh richard dolan certainly he said

2838
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:37,119
that to me was that

2839
01:58:40,470 --> 01:58:39,760
something that uh admiral wilson related

2840
01:58:43,589 --> 01:58:40,480
to you

2841
01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:43,599
that you know the he didn't have a navy

2842
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:47,199
driver right yeah yeah

2843
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:49,040
right i mean what would i be doing with

2844
01:58:52,470 --> 01:58:50,960
these guys you know i'm retired

2845
01:58:54,470 --> 01:58:52,480
you know i wouldn't i wouldn't have

2846
01:58:56,070 --> 01:58:54,480
these these escorts around me and

2847
01:58:57,750 --> 01:58:56,080
they're a driver like that that's not

2848
01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:57,760
something that they provide for us once

2849
01:59:03,830 --> 01:58:58,639
you're out of

2850
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,840
uniform so your guess is as good as mine

2851
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:06,239
i i don't know jimmy no no and the other

2852
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:06,960
part of this

2853
01:59:10,229 --> 01:59:09,599
uh just one quick comment uh before the

2854
01:59:13,510 --> 01:59:10,239
break

2855
01:59:16,870 --> 01:59:13,520
this came from edgar mitchell's personal

2856
01:59:19,030 --> 01:59:16,880
archives exactly exactly

2857
01:59:21,830 --> 01:59:19,040
now what's edgar mitchell doing with uh

2858
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:21,840
fake documents in his archives

2859
01:59:25,990 --> 01:59:24,320
and you know i mean and mitchell was

2860
01:59:27,830 --> 01:59:26,000
relating the story and he

2861
01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:27,840
you know it was very cagey about

2862
01:59:32,709 --> 01:59:29,760
releasing

2863
01:59:33,750 --> 01:59:32,719
publicly uh admiral wilson's name i

2864
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:33,760
don't know that he

2865
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:37,440
um i don't think he did that or did he

2866
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:39,440
he didn't say that on larry king did he

2867
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:41,040
i don't believe he did no i don't

2868
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:43,199
i don't think he did no he's very cagey

2869
01:59:50,390 --> 01:59:45,840
about it very very

2870
01:59:51,750 --> 01:59:50,400
discerning um so

2871
01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:51,760
i don't know yeah they're in his

2872
01:59:54,870 --> 01:59:53,199
archives they're in his personal

2873
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:54,880
possessions what are they doing there if

2874
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:56,400
they're insignificant if they don't mean

2875
01:59:59,350 --> 01:59:57,280
anything

2876
02:00:00,390 --> 01:59:59,360
let's take our break right here this is

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02:00:02,310 --> 02:00:00,400
fade to black i

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02:00:04,470 --> 02:00:02,320
am your host jimmy church tonight the

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one and only billy cox

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02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:08,159
he's been our community's ufo beat rider

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02:00:13,850 --> 02:00:11,520
billy cox more with billy after this

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02:00:21,510 --> 02:00:13,860
short break this is fade to block

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02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:29,109
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host jimmy churchill i guess tonight

2995
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billy cox

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the ufo journalist now

2997
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:10,719
uh billy here we are tomorrow is

2998
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:14,400
june 1st we are expecting this uap

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task force report uh in in some form to

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be presented

3001
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:22,079
what are you expecting to be in this

3002
02:05:29,270 --> 02:05:28,069
um well i can only go by what people who

3003
02:05:31,510 --> 02:05:29,280
know a lot more

3004
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:31,520
or should you know have more insights

3005
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:32,320
than i do

3006
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:34,960
are anticipating which is which is not a

3007
02:05:39,589 --> 02:05:36,800
whole lot i mean i know there's supposed

3008
02:05:43,510 --> 02:05:39,599
to be a major transparent component

3009
02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:43,520
to this um but you know the other day i

3010
02:05:47,350 --> 02:05:44,639
was talking to

3011
02:05:48,310 --> 02:05:47,360
robert powell and morgan bell with the

3012
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:48,320
scu

3013
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:51,280
um you know they did the um analysis on

3014
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:52,239
the nimitz

3015
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:55,360
video and they're telling me you know

3016
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:56,000
the big

3017
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:58,639
hole in this whole thing with the ig

3018
02:06:02,550 --> 02:05:59,520
sending out

3019
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:02,560
you know memos to i think 18 different

3020
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:04,719
military and intelligence

3021
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:13,430
the big problem they said was the

3022
02:06:17,669 --> 02:06:15,360
department of homeland security

3023
02:06:19,589 --> 02:06:17,679
wasn't mentioned they they were not on

3024
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:19,599
the distribution list

3025
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:21,119
and the reason they were saying that is

3026
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:23,440
significant is because dhs

3027
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:26,320
uh is the lead for the customs and

3028
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:27,840
border patrol

3029
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:31,199
customs board patrol had the aguadilla

3030
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:31,920
video

3031
02:06:38,470 --> 02:06:35,440
from from 2013. and

3032
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:38,480
to me that

3033
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:41,599
shows the better than any of the videos

3034
02:06:45,910 --> 02:06:43,520
that i've seen so far

3035
02:06:46,709 --> 02:06:45,920
illustrates the trans medium properties

3036
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:46,719
the alleged

3037
02:06:50,709 --> 02:06:48,960
trans medium properties of these ufos

3038
02:06:52,390 --> 02:06:50,719
when you see this thing going into the

3039
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:52,400
water it's tracked by infrared

3040
02:06:57,589 --> 02:06:55,440
cameras and you see it you know hitting

3041
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:57,599
at about 100 miles an hour they say

3042
02:07:00,229 --> 02:06:58,159
without

3043
02:07:01,669 --> 02:07:00,239
barely a splash and then it goes under

3044
02:07:03,510 --> 02:07:01,679
the water and it comes back

3045
02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:03,520
out and goes on the water next thing you

3046
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:05,440
know then

3047
02:07:09,030 --> 02:07:07,119
grows a little bit larger and it splits

3048
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:09,040
into two and and they

3049
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:12,079
equal size i mean what the hell is that

3050
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:15,360
all about and you know the

3051
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:21,679
video that they got back in 2014 i think

3052
02:07:25,990 --> 02:07:22,480
it was

3053
02:07:29,430 --> 02:07:26,000
was stripped down it had been um

3054
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,440
cleansed of the voice over you know the

3055
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:31,280
the pilot chatter which is one of the

3056
02:07:36,629 --> 02:07:33,119
things that made the gimbal and the

3057
02:07:38,790 --> 02:07:36,639
uh go fast video so convincing

3058
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:38,800
when you hear the excitement in these

3059
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:40,880
pilots who see this stuff

3060
02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:43,040
it's like you know they put you right

3061
02:07:48,390 --> 02:07:45,760
there in the middle of the excitement

3062
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:48,400
and that's one thing that's lacking in

3063
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:49,760
the aguadilla video

3064
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:52,400
i mean you see this thing is is being

3065
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:54,320
tracked in the sky with it with the

3066
02:08:00,629 --> 02:07:57,520
infrared camera for almost four minutes

3067
02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:00,639
and um as it gets into the water and

3068
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:02,800
then it makes its exit

3069
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:05,119
i don't know if the guy the cameraman uh

3070
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:07,119
switches modes or whatever it blinks

3071
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:08,880
just a second

3072
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:11,119
and this object is gone and you can see

3073
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:12,400
the camera swivel

3074
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:15,440
from one side to the other looking in

3075
02:08:19,990 --> 02:08:16,560
vain fruitlessly

3076
02:08:23,430 --> 02:08:20,000
for for this object i would love to hear

3077
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:23,440
that cockpit chatter like you know if

3078
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:23,840
those

3079
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:26,159
jet fighters were excited uh you know

3080
02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:27,280
seeing what they saw

3081
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:30,560
can you imagine losing this thing after

3082
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:32,400
seeing it going into water and

3083
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:35,760
and splitting into the in into two parts

3084
02:08:42,229 --> 02:08:38,880
anyway uh morgan bell

3085
02:08:44,149 --> 02:08:42,239
and uh robert powell were going

3086
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:44,159
well you know department of homeland

3087
02:08:47,990 --> 02:08:45,599
security why were they not

3088
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:48,000
on the distribution list i mean it's not

3089
02:08:51,430 --> 02:08:50,480
just civilian stuff it's intelligence

3090
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:51,440
and

3091
02:08:56,870 --> 02:08:54,800
you know with the aguadilla airport

3092
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:56,880
um that's under private management so

3093
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:58,480
they're exempt from foia so they

3094
02:09:01,669 --> 02:09:00,719
couldn't even get the tower logs the atc

3095
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:01,679
logs

3096
02:09:05,189 --> 02:09:04,000
from the tower so they're operating at a

3097
02:09:06,870 --> 02:09:05,199
disadvantage

3098
02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:06,880
they couldn't get the military radar

3099
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:09,040
they got some

3100
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:12,159
remote fairly remote faa radar

3101
02:09:17,589 --> 02:09:15,199
but they were able to

3102
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:17,599
squeeze out a lot of details you know

3103
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:18,639
but but not enough

3104
02:09:22,470 --> 02:09:20,880
to give us the real full scope of what

3105
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:22,480
that whole incident was about

3106
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:26,000
so i guess that's a long-winded

3107
02:09:31,270 --> 02:09:29,599
way of saying my expectations i think

3108
02:09:34,149 --> 02:09:31,280
you're like a lot of people they're

3109
02:09:35,750 --> 02:09:34,159
they're low but i think elizondo was

3110
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,760
maybe saying that

3111
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,760
this might be a continuation you know

3112
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:39,760
this is like the the first installment

3113
02:09:43,350 --> 02:09:41,199
of the down payment on

3114
02:09:45,030 --> 02:09:43,360
to be continued i hope that's what it is

3115
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:45,040
because i really

3116
02:09:48,709 --> 02:09:46,480
from what i've heard they don't have the

3117
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:48,719
dedicated staff or the the budget

3118
02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:50,800
to really do a first-rate job on what

3119
02:09:56,709 --> 02:09:52,480
they need to do and how you

3120
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:56,719
compress all these decades into 180 to

3121
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:57,760
80-day

3122
02:10:02,149 --> 02:10:00,320
report i mean how how do you how do you

3123
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:02,159
do that

3124
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:04,320
well there's another part to this though

3125
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:05,360
billy where

3126
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:08,639
so much of the community is expecting

3127
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:12,000
disclosure and that there will be an et

3128
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:15,119
off-world component mentioned in this

3129
02:10:19,669 --> 02:10:17,199
report do you think that the

3130
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:19,679
the department of defense or the dia is

3131
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:21,520
going to take it that far

3132
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:25,679
oh no no no no no i i think they're

3133
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:27,840
still trying to what do you what are you

3134
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,440
supposed to do though

3135
02:10:33,030 --> 02:10:31,679
i mean if you're in a position you're

3136
02:10:34,310 --> 02:10:33,040
you're you're outgunned you're

3137
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:34,320
outclassed

3138
02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:36,800
you you you can't you can't catch these

3139
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:37,840
things

3140
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:39,679
how far are you supposed to take it i

3141
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:41,440
think just it's it's enough

3142
02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:44,639
right now to say

3143
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:47,360
we don't have nothing clue as to what

3144
02:10:52,550 --> 02:10:49,040
these things are

3145
02:10:55,669 --> 02:10:52,560
and by extension our

3146
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:55,679
restricted or otherwise airspace is

3147
02:11:02,310 --> 02:10:57,679
indefensible

3148
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:02,320
um that's kind of scary

3149
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:04,639
i i and and that that would be an

3150
02:11:07,350 --> 02:11:06,320
amazing admission they're not going to

3151
02:11:09,750 --> 02:11:07,360
go that far

3152
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:09,760
even well we can't do anything about it

3153
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:11,920
that's that's implicit

3154
02:11:15,990 --> 02:11:13,840
you know they can't do anything about it

3155
02:11:20,229 --> 02:11:16,000
if that's that's demonstr

3156
02:11:23,030 --> 02:11:20,239
demonstrably true but um

3157
02:11:24,310 --> 02:11:23,040
going so far as to say there's an e2

3158
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,320
component i i

3159
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:26,400
i don't see that anywhere in the near

3160
02:11:30,790 --> 02:11:29,440
future if if if at all i mean hell it

3161
02:11:33,830 --> 02:11:30,800
might not even be e.t

3162
02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:33,840
might be some in the water

3163
02:11:38,390 --> 02:11:36,480
yeah and it could be but um i think that

3164
02:11:39,750 --> 02:11:38,400
i just cut you off billy but the thing

3165
02:11:43,270 --> 02:11:39,760
is this

3166
02:11:46,310 --> 02:11:43,280
the shift to the uap

3167
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:46,320
uh you know those letters

3168
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:48,480
that's confusing to the public into the

3169
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:49,760
world where

3170
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:53,280
if the dod was talking about ufos

3171
02:11:58,550 --> 02:11:55,599
we all understand the e.t component of

3172
02:12:05,430 --> 02:11:58,560
that but they've shifted it to uaps

3173
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:08,470
to make it more palatable

3174
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:10,000
i think maybe they they might have

3175
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:11,520
thought somewhere along the way maybe we

3176
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:12,320
can get some

3177
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:15,440
shot stacks on board with a

3178
02:12:22,069 --> 02:12:18,639
with a less uh um

3179
02:12:25,510 --> 02:12:22,079
sharp acronym but you know

3180
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:25,520
i i think it's all about semantics i do

3181
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:28,000
think that the uap task force that's

3182
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,920
been that name has been banning about

3183
02:12:33,910 --> 02:12:31,599
for a while and even with the

3184
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:33,920
1217 article in the new york times they

3185
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:34,800
used uap

3186
02:12:39,189 --> 02:12:38,000
a lot i think people are getting

3187
02:12:41,910 --> 02:12:39,199
accustomed

3188
02:12:44,069 --> 02:12:41,920
to that i i don't think that there's any

3189
02:12:45,589 --> 02:12:44,079
ambiguity a whole lot of ambiguity about

3190
02:12:48,069 --> 02:12:45,599
what uap

3191
02:12:48,950 --> 02:12:48,079
if they'd rather talk about uaps than

3192
02:12:50,709 --> 02:12:48,960
ufos

3193
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:50,719
i mean it's the rose by any other name

3194
02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:52,480
right

3195
02:13:04,830 --> 02:13:02,229
i i don't know i

3196
02:13:07,830 --> 02:13:04,840
i think we're at a place that we were in

3197
02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:07,840
1945 or 1946

3198
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,480
when we had a nuclear monopoly and there

3199
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:12,639
was a big debate going on in the united

3200
02:13:15,830 --> 02:13:13,199
states

3201
02:13:17,669 --> 02:13:15,840
and actually i think at the time there

3202
02:13:19,270 --> 02:13:17,679
was a poll that said 54 percent of

3203
02:13:22,790 --> 02:13:19,280
americans

3204
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:22,800
wanted us to relinquish

3205
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:24,960
the weapons or turn those weapons over

3206
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:27,199
to a worldwide governing body because

3207
02:13:32,709 --> 02:13:29,440
they were such a horrific

3208
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:32,719
thing to confront and

3209
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:35,280
you know we thought that we could hang

3210
02:13:38,149 --> 02:13:35,920
on to

3211
02:13:41,669 --> 02:13:38,159
the monopoly and that monopoly lasted

3212
02:13:44,790 --> 02:13:41,679
for about four years i guess it was

3213
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:44,800
so one of the questions i think we do

3214
02:13:49,750 --> 02:13:45,679
have to ask

3215
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:49,760
is is is cracking this nut

3216
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:52,239
is this going to require an investment

3217
02:13:56,069 --> 02:13:52,800
on the

3218
02:13:56,950 --> 02:13:56,079
level of say apollo slash manhattan

3219
02:14:00,470 --> 02:13:56,960
project

3220
02:14:04,069 --> 02:14:00,480
can any one country afford

3221
02:14:06,310 --> 02:14:04,079
to shoulder that burden alone

3222
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:06,320
i mean if we assume that this cover-up

3223
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:09,599
has been going on for 70 years

3224
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:13,199
what have we got to show for it i mean

3225
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:15,760
you know of course you have to conceal

3226
02:14:19,830 --> 02:14:17,920
your money if you're working on an sap

3227
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:19,840
or black project or something like that

3228
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:21,920
but for crying out loud

3229
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:26,480
70 years and

3230
02:14:31,189 --> 02:14:29,280
i don't know it i i i think we have an

3231
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:31,199
opportunity

3232
02:14:35,830 --> 02:14:33,679
here i think reagan raised the clarion

3233
02:14:38,470 --> 02:14:35,840
call back in the 1980s remember those

3234
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:38,480
famous speeches he gave about

3235
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:41,440
if we were confronted with an e.t threat

3236
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:41,920
um

3237
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,760
you know wouldn't wouldn't we in the

3238
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:45,840
soviet union when we put aside our

3239
02:14:51,109 --> 02:14:47,280
differences

3240
02:14:54,149 --> 02:14:51,119
um i gotta tell you uh i guess it was

3241
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:54,159
last year last january before

3242
02:14:58,709 --> 02:14:58,000
the pandemic hit i had an opportunity to

3243
02:15:01,830 --> 02:14:58,719
interview

3244
02:15:02,629 --> 02:15:01,840
um gary ruff head admiral gary ruffhead

3245
02:15:06,390 --> 02:15:02,639
he was the chief

3246
02:15:11,109 --> 02:15:06,400
chief of naval operations from 2007

3247
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:11,119
to 2011. and he was talking about

3248
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:14,480
strategy about china's expansionist uh

3249
02:15:20,149 --> 02:15:17,040
ambitions about you know putting key

3250
02:15:22,310 --> 02:15:20,159
assets in places along choke points with

3251
02:15:24,069 --> 02:15:22,320
suez canal or rather i should say

3252
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:24,079
persian gulf

3253
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:27,599
and i was asking him after the speech

3254
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:28,000
about

3255
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:31,840
you know the the f-18 videos

3256
02:15:36,069 --> 02:15:33,920
and he was kind of cagey with his

3257
02:15:37,990 --> 02:15:36,079
answers so he said yeah he had seen them

3258
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:38,000
but i don't believe that there is uh

3259
02:15:42,229 --> 02:15:40,560
you know an explanation he says um you

3260
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:42,239
know i don't know what they are but you

3261
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:43,599
know that's that's the future

3262
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:44,639
essentially

3263
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:47,840
um open seas

3264
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:50,239
what do we do there but he did say this

3265
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:53,280
and he said pull it up

3266
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:56,320
he says i i think we're going to this is

3267
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:59,040
in january of 2020. i think we're going

3268
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:00,960
to continue to see new technology in the

3269
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:02,960
form of unmanned systems that will begin

3270
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:04,239
to interfere

3271
02:16:08,550 --> 02:16:06,480
with military capability and we're not

3272
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:08,560
alone there's no question that china and

3273
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:11,440
russia want to plan

3274
02:16:15,910 --> 02:16:13,760
without knowing what they may be are

3275
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:15,920
they phenomena or are they vehicles that

3276
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:17,280
someone is able to get

3277
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:20,159
into place i think one of the great

3278
02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:23,040
challenges that more people look at is

3279
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:24,880
where would these have come from and

3280
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:26,639
quite frankly i haven't spent a whole

3281
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:28,800
lot of time on that issue but he said

3282
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:33,760
he goes on to say um

3283
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:37,519
he's talking about china he says

3284
02:16:41,429 --> 02:16:39,840
the aerodynamics and hydrodynamics and

3285
02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:41,439
the strength that's required to be able

3286
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:42,960
to fly and operate at depths and the

3287
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:43,359
power

3288
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:45,200
you need to move at high speeds in the

3289
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:46,800
air and then how do you convert that

3290
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:48,559
power to something underwater these are

3291
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:50,240
huge technological challenges and

3292
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:50,880
there's no

3293
02:16:54,549 --> 02:16:53,840
question in my mind that the future

3294
02:16:56,549 --> 02:16:54,559
warfare

3295
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:56,559
probably long after i'm gone we'll see

3296
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:59,040
this type of thing beginning to occur

3297
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:00,960
he talked about china and says we have

3298
02:17:04,469 --> 02:17:02,960
to look for opportunities we have to

3299
02:17:06,389 --> 02:17:04,479
look for venues

3300
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:06,399
where we can bring caring people

3301
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:08,399
together to say okay

3302
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:10,719
there's a technological issue here how

3303
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:13,280
do we bring the bright minds together

3304
02:17:17,349 --> 02:17:15,359
how do we protect our legitimate

3305
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:17,359
national security technologies

3306
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:20,639
and intellectual property but still get

3307
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:23,280
after some of the hard problems and i

3308
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:24,000
think there's

3309
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:25,679
that's a way for closing some of the

3310
02:17:31,349 --> 02:17:27,760
gaps down the road and bringing trust

3311
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,359
between the two the first step for me is

3312
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:33,280
how do you define what it is we can work

3313
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:34,559
on together to remove some of the

3314
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:36,800
sensitivities and suspicions

3315
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:38,960
until you have that discussion you're

3316
02:17:41,589 --> 02:17:40,559
not going to make any progress the

3317
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:41,599
journey begins

3318
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:44,399
with the first step and i do think that

3319
02:17:48,150 --> 02:17:44,960
that's

3320
02:17:50,469 --> 02:17:48,160
um what lou has um alluded to and

3321
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:50,479
and you might want to ask him about this

3322
02:17:55,110 --> 02:17:52,800
when you have him on your show

3323
02:17:56,070 --> 02:17:55,120
we last talked and he was talking about

3324
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:56,080
international

3325
02:18:03,429 --> 02:17:59,200
alliances or trees or cooperation

3326
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:03,439
um where we can have you know a sphere

3327
02:18:06,790 --> 02:18:04,160
of of

3328
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:06,800
mutual and equal sorts of influence i do

3329
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:07,200
think

3330
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:09,599
that there is an opportunity here but i

3331
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:11,519
i don't know how long

3332
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:15,280
that window is going to be open um

3333
02:18:18,629 --> 02:18:18,240
you know i i don't think any one country

3334
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:18,639
can

3335
02:18:25,270 --> 02:18:22,800
roughhead was saying

3336
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:25,280
how do you establish trust i mean would

3337
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:26,080
you trust

3338
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:29,920
putin

3339
02:18:34,309 --> 02:18:33,280
um is that possible i don't know but i

3340
02:18:36,150 --> 02:18:34,319
do think

3341
02:18:38,950 --> 02:18:36,160
there's cause for optimism i want to

3342
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:41,030
because i mean whether or not it's an

3343
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:42,719
explicit threat or not

3344
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:45,280
these things are running circles around

3345
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:45,840
our

3346
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:49,920
damn thing we can do about it

3347
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,319
and i don't know how long people will be

3348
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:54,240
complacent about that you know i'm also

3349
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:56,639
afraid of the religious component here

3350
02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:58,240
you know we're already starting to see

3351
02:19:02,469 --> 02:19:00,719
you know q anon type things uh

3352
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:02,479
out there talking about how well this is

3353
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:05,040
distraction this whole ufo stuff is a

3354
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:05,760
government

3355
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:07,920
distraction you know to to get away from

3356
02:19:12,580 --> 02:19:09,679
the election fraud

3357
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:12,590
i'm going crying out loud um already

3358
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:14,240
[Laughter]

3359
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:17,359
you know so i i i don't know i think we

3360
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:19,200
have a small window here and i hope that

3361
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:20,160
there's an opportunity

3362
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:22,160
for us to try to forge some bridges or

3363
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:24,240
some alliances or something because i i

3364
02:19:27,030 --> 02:19:25,519
don't think we're gonna

3365
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:27,040
i don't think we're smart enough to

3366
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:29,120
figure it out by ourselves and i think

3367
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:31,439
what i really resent

3368
02:19:37,429 --> 02:19:34,960
is for 70 years locking out

3369
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,439
so many great minds so many people who

3370
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:39,040
with the qualifications and the

3371
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:40,240
credentials

3372
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:43,280
who have done this gratis who would have

3373
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:45,200
gladly worked on this

3374
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:47,120
the biggest mystery of all time

3375
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:48,720
absolutely sure

3376
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:51,600
and we've cut them out um and i think

3377
02:19:54,790 --> 02:19:53,040
that's uncomfortable and that's why i

3378
02:19:56,150 --> 02:19:54,800
think we have to look back to and get a

3379
02:19:58,950 --> 02:19:56,160
fuller accounting

3380
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:58,960
of the mistakes that we made and and in

3381
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:00,720
so doing hopefully prevent

3382
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:03,760
future mistakes of that nature uh in the

3383
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:05,359
road ahead

3384
02:20:09,349 --> 02:20:07,840
did it surprise you about the lack of a

3385
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,359
global freakout

3386
02:20:14,710 --> 02:20:11,760
as this started to break out of the mass

3387
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:14,720
media you know worldwide and globally

3388
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:16,720
that institutions didn't collapse and

3389
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:20,399
people didn't just lose their minds

3390
02:20:26,950 --> 02:20:23,840
well you know um it's funny that

3391
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:26,960
you should mention that i don't think

3392
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:30,000
that it's really sunken in i don't think

3393
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:33,200
um we're we're we're quite there yet

3394
02:20:36,630 --> 02:20:35,200
where the implications you know okay

3395
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:36,640
these things are not stalking through

3396
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:38,080
the streets with death rays

3397
02:20:43,590 --> 02:20:41,439
and and zapping people but i also don't

3398
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:43,600
think the magnitude the enormity of what

3399
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:45,040
this means

3400
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:48,160
has sunk it in globally let me read this

3401
02:20:52,790 --> 02:20:49,280
thing

3402
02:20:56,550 --> 02:20:52,800
for you that back in 2003

3403
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:56,560
if you've got time for this i do um i

3404
02:21:02,230 --> 02:20:59,200
interviewed a guy in melbourne his name

3405
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:02,240
was frank defay at the time he was 78

3406
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:06,160
he's probably gone now but

3407
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:10,640
he was a kid uh living in new jersey

3408
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:14,479
he had a buddy of his uh named billy

3409
02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:17,200
were mom and dad left and left him at

3410
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:18,720
home while they went out to do some

3411
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:19,600
dancing it was

3412
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:22,720
sunday night it was right before

3413
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:26,720
halloween in 1938 and they're playing a

3414
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,240
board game

3415
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:30,720
and they've got the radio turned on and

3416
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:32,800
they missed the first part of the orson

3417
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:35,600
welles war of the worlds

3418
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:38,240
and then they start listening to it and

3419
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:41,040
then they start freaking out

3420
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:44,399
and billy frankful buddy

3421
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:47,200
has to go home he's so scared leaving

3422
02:21:51,590 --> 02:21:48,960
leaving frank

3423
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:51,600
by himself and he's thinking the aliens

3424
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:53,439
are gonna come down and get him

3425
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:56,800
and anyway there was a really

3426
02:22:02,469 --> 02:21:58,640
interesting comment as i was

3427
02:22:05,429 --> 02:22:02,479
researching this i found this quote

3428
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:05,439
this was from the new york tribune

3429
02:22:07,830 --> 02:22:05,920
critic

3430
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,840
dorothy thompson and she was writing in

3431
02:22:12,550 --> 02:22:09,359
the immediate aftermath

3432
02:22:15,429 --> 02:22:12,560
she says wells proved that

3433
02:22:16,950 --> 02:22:15,439
a few effective voices accompanied by

3434
02:22:19,910 --> 02:22:16,960
sound effects

3435
02:22:21,510 --> 02:22:19,920
can convince masses of people of a

3436
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:21,520
totally unreasonable

3437
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:24,640
completely fantastic proposition as to

3438
02:22:27,910 --> 02:22:25,439
create

3439
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,920
a nationwide panic they have

3440
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:29,680
demonstrated more potently

3441
02:22:35,750 --> 02:22:32,960
than any argument demonstrated beyond a

3442
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:35,760
question of doubt the appalling dangers

3443
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:37,520
and enormous effectiveness

3444
02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:42,240
of popular and theatrical demagoguery

3445
02:22:46,230 --> 02:22:44,399
we haven't even really gotten there yet

3446
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:46,240
to this point we may not

3447
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:49,359
get there i hope not but i see

3448
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:52,640
the potential for this i can still see

3449
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:54,640
it this mass freak out that you

3450
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:57,040
that you allude to i would like to think

3451
02:23:01,429 --> 02:22:58,000
that we are

3452
02:23:03,190 --> 02:23:01,439
beyond that evolutionarily speaking

3453
02:23:05,110 --> 02:23:03,200
i mean these things aren't you know

3454
02:23:08,309 --> 02:23:05,120
sitting tripod to the streets and

3455
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:08,319
and burning buildings um

3456
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:11,040
but i'm still not sure that we're ready

3457
02:23:13,349 --> 02:23:11,840
to be

3458
02:23:15,510 --> 02:23:13,359
displaced from the center of the

3459
02:23:17,750 --> 02:23:15,520
universe yet again

3460
02:23:19,429 --> 02:23:17,760
i mean i keep thinking about that

3461
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:19,439
sovereignty of the ufo

3462
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:23,040
sovereignty and the ufo essay that

3463
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:26,960
appeared in leslie kane's great book and

3464
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:29,040
i completely agreed with these

3465
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:31,040
anthropomorphic conceits that we will

3466
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:31,439
not

3467
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:35,359
relinquish very easily and yet

3468
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:39,280
here we are 12 13 years later and it

3469
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:40,640
looks like we're in the process

3470
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:44,080
of doing that but i don't think jimmy

3471
02:23:49,990 --> 02:23:47,760
the full implications of what that means

3472
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:50,000
i don't think i think we're a long ways

3473
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:52,960
from understanding what that

3474
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:56,160
you know what the impact of that is

3475
02:24:00,550 --> 02:23:57,600
i think that's going to be a long

3476
02:24:01,349 --> 02:24:00,560
transition i just have one more quick

3477
02:24:04,870 --> 02:24:01,359
question

3478
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:04,880
but uh i i really need your

3479
02:24:11,190 --> 02:24:08,160
uh idea uh on this which is

3480
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:11,200
i find it curious

3481
02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:14,080
that the roosevelt and the nimitz were

3482
02:24:18,230 --> 02:24:14,800
both

3483
02:24:20,590 --> 02:24:18,240
u.s navy battle groups and that's

3484
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:20,600
where the sign and of course you know

3485
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:21,760
2019

3486
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:25,760
um uh in in july the east coast or

3487
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:29,040
off of san diego as well but not

3488
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:32,960
over a city tic-tac was not over kansas

3489
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:36,000
it was not a civilian thing it was a u.s

3490
02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:38,880
navy thing and it's like beyond

3491
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:40,000
coincidence

3492
02:24:47,910 --> 02:24:44,160
to me what are your thoughts on that

3493
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:47,920
um yeah i i that that's why again

3494
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:50,960
i know less about this than i did uh 40

3495
02:24:53,830 --> 02:24:51,920
years ago

3496
02:24:55,270 --> 02:24:53,840
i'm beginning to come around to the idea

3497
02:24:56,070 --> 02:24:55,280
that you know what maybe we've been here

3498
02:24:57,830 --> 02:24:56,080
all along

3499
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:57,840
maybe they're from you know maybe

3500
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:59,680
they're terrestrial maybe they're from

3501
02:25:03,510 --> 02:25:00,960
the water

3502
02:25:05,429 --> 02:25:03,520
and i i've been kind of interested in

3503
02:25:08,469 --> 02:25:05,439
the theory that maybe uh

3504
02:25:10,389 --> 02:25:08,479
the ocean and and its hydrogen

3505
02:25:11,750 --> 02:25:10,399
could perhaps be a potential source of

3506
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:11,760
fuel for

3507
02:25:16,550 --> 02:25:14,000
for these craft i mean it would seem

3508
02:25:18,469 --> 02:25:16,560
like it would be a lot easier to work

3509
02:25:21,590 --> 02:25:18,479
if you're studying this planet or

3510
02:25:24,790 --> 02:25:21,600
somehow trying to export it in various

3511
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:24,800
sublime ways you want to be here on

3512
02:25:29,429 --> 02:25:25,760
earth rather than

3513
02:25:30,389 --> 02:25:29,439
up there in space um what do you think

3514
02:25:34,389 --> 02:25:30,399
jimmy

3515
02:25:39,110 --> 02:25:34,399
i i that's a great

3516
02:25:42,309 --> 02:25:39,120
wow i you've just yeah i'm thinking now

3517
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:42,319
i'm thinking now in that uh maybe

3518
02:25:46,230 --> 02:25:45,680
right maybe they have been here longer

3519
02:25:49,510 --> 02:25:46,240
than

3520
02:25:50,309 --> 02:25:49,520
we that's a very you know hydrogen

3521
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:50,319
oxygen

3522
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:54,880
water water fuel a good place to hide

3523
02:26:00,389 --> 02:25:57,200
maybe that's what we are dealing with in

3524
02:26:02,070 --> 02:26:00,399
the navy was just in the way

3525
02:26:03,910 --> 02:26:02,080
possibly i mean you know the thing that

3526
02:26:05,429 --> 02:26:03,920
i saw was out over the water and the

3527
02:26:07,190 --> 02:26:05,439
thing that i didn't see that showed up

3528
02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:07,200
over my head we're a mile or two out in

3529
02:26:10,309 --> 02:26:07,920
the gulf

3530
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:10,319
i mean you know it and what was it

3531
02:26:12,790 --> 02:26:11,120
george knapp

3532
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:12,800
when when he got those documents from

3533
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:15,120
the old soviet union weren't the

3534
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:18,640
vast majority of those soviet cases

3535
02:26:22,309 --> 02:26:19,280
weren't they

3536
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:22,319
over water as well um

3537
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:24,160
i i just think they're you know the more

3538
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:26,720
i think about it it seems like there's a

3539
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:27,439
there's a

3540
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:30,560
massive connection between uap ufo

3541
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:31,280
whatever

3542
02:26:34,790 --> 02:26:34,240
and and the ocean or water large bodies

3543
02:26:38,309 --> 02:26:34,800
of water

3544
02:26:41,830 --> 02:26:38,319
now in closing billy uh obviously you

3545
02:26:46,469 --> 02:26:41,840
uh you quit your job last month but

3546
02:26:51,190 --> 02:26:50,469
well um i will continue to try to get

3547
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:51,200
this uh

3548
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:54,319
sub stack uh life in jonestown

3549
02:27:00,469 --> 02:26:57,359
uh going um

3550
02:27:02,389 --> 02:27:00,479
i'm not done with journalism um

3551
02:27:04,150 --> 02:27:02,399
you know i've got a couple of novels

3552
02:27:05,990 --> 02:27:04,160
that i've that i've written i think one

3553
02:27:09,590 --> 02:27:06,000
of them could be killer

3554
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:09,600
uh it's about a the aztec ball game

3555
02:27:15,590 --> 02:27:13,200
using condemned men to play it um

3556
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:15,600
but yeah writings i you know i can

3557
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:17,840
barely even change a light bulb man

3558
02:27:22,389 --> 02:27:20,240
i i just don't have any skills i i can

3559
02:27:24,950 --> 02:27:22,399
barely work a computer i'm not

3560
02:27:26,790 --> 02:27:24,960
much good for anything else so so i do

3561
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:26,800
write i can i can still do that

3562
02:27:31,750 --> 02:27:29,359
unfortunately nobody reads anymore so

3563
02:27:34,870 --> 02:27:31,760
i'm kind of i'm kind of stranded

3564
02:27:38,630 --> 02:27:34,880
but i'll probably i don't think i can

3565
02:27:40,790 --> 02:27:38,640
not be engaged with this phenomenon

3566
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:40,800
given where we are given how far we've

3567
02:27:45,670 --> 02:27:41,760
come

3568
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,680
um i it's we got a tiger by the tail and

3569
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:48,000
and for now i guess i want to try to

3570
02:27:52,710 --> 02:27:51,040
hang on for as long as i can billy thank

3571
02:27:54,870 --> 02:27:52,720
you so much man this uh

3572
02:27:56,950 --> 02:27:54,880
this show tonight was a long time coming

3573
02:27:58,230 --> 02:27:56,960
but what a great conversation

3574
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:58,240
and i look forward to the next time

3575
02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:01,280
you're on with us jimmy it's a pleasure

3576
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:03,600
thanks a lot and you be careful out

3577
02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:05,520
there you hear

3578
02:28:10,389 --> 02:28:08,560
you behave too as well billy cox

3579
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:10,399
thank you so much my friend thank you

3580
02:28:16,349 --> 02:28:12,000
jimmy okay see you buddy

3581
02:28:18,070 --> 02:28:16,359
what a great conversation and listen

3582
02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:18,080
devoidlives.com

3583
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:21,760
if you want to read the smoothest stuff

3584
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:24,319
go to davoidlives.com and of course life

3585
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:27,200
in jonestown jonestown.substack.com the

3586
02:28:31,590 --> 02:28:29,680
links are over at jimmychurchradio.com

3587
02:28:33,670 --> 02:28:31,600
thank you so much billy cox what a great

3588
02:28:35,270 --> 02:28:33,680
conversation i'm going to take a quick

3589
02:28:37,349 --> 02:28:35,280
break and come back and open up the

3590
02:28:39,030 --> 02:28:37,359
phone lines

3591
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:39,040
because we don't have fader night this

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church billy cox

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02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:46,560
that was a conversation billy cox the

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absolute

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very best thank you billy that was just

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extraordinary

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he's been doing this for a long long

3698
02:33:57,030 --> 02:33:54,240
time he is

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he is our community thank you billy that

3700
02:33:59,910 --> 02:33:57,359
was

3701
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:59,920
uh just i can't wait till he's i'm with

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02:34:05,070 --> 02:34:00,640
us again

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and uh i do want to say i hope that

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02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:10,000
everybody had a great fun

3706
02:34:13,429 --> 02:34:12,640
safe uh memorial day weekend it's not

3707
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:13,439
over yet

3708
02:34:18,309 --> 02:34:16,560
right we're still on monday you guys

3709
02:34:19,990 --> 02:34:18,319
you know probably most of you took the

3710
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:20,000
day off as well

3711
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:22,240
but you're hanging out with me tonight

3712
02:34:26,389 --> 02:34:23,920
if you are listening to me

3713
02:34:27,030 --> 02:34:26,399
right now and and thanks for being here

3714
02:34:29,990 --> 02:34:27,040
now

3715
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:30,000
i want to say this last week last

3716
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:30,720
thursday

3717
02:34:35,670 --> 02:34:34,000
to be specific uh we had ray santilli on

3718
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:35,680
the show to talk about the nft

3719
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:39,200
auction of a frame of that original

3720
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:42,080
alien autopsy film and it was really

3721
02:34:43,990 --> 02:34:43,600
funny for me to go through all of the

3722
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:44,000
email

3723
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:46,240
on the post and social media about the

3724
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:47,280
show

3725
02:34:52,950 --> 02:34:50,720
and uh to the point about having rayon

3726
02:34:53,750 --> 02:34:52,960
right now to be perfectly clear and

3727
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:53,760
transparent

3728
02:34:58,230 --> 02:34:56,319
this frame of the alien autopsy film

3729
02:35:01,429 --> 02:34:58,240
being put up for auction

3730
02:35:02,389 --> 02:35:01,439
is a news story right there's no

3731
02:35:04,070 --> 02:35:02,399
question about it

3732
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:04,080
anyone complaining about the show

3733
02:35:09,830 --> 02:35:06,000
doesn't realize

3734
02:35:11,910 --> 02:35:09,840
that the it's a frame of the original

3735
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:11,920
film that was purchased from a cameraman

3736
02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:13,280
in florida

3737
02:35:17,110 --> 02:35:16,640
which if authentic would be the only

3738
02:35:20,230 --> 02:35:17,120
image

3739
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:20,240
known to exist of an actual et that was

3740
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:20,640
shot

3741
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:24,479
in or around roswell new mexico in 1947.

3742
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:27,439
this isn't a frame from the alien

3743
02:35:32,150 --> 02:35:28,720
autopsy

3744
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:32,160
hoaxed documentary you know that was of

3745
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:34,560
course put together by ray santilli

3746
02:35:38,550 --> 02:35:36,479
what may be confusing to some

3747
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:38,560
understandably is that

3748
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:41,439
frames from the original film were

3749
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:42,240
inserted

3750
02:35:47,590 --> 02:35:45,439
into the host documentary allegedly

3751
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:47,600
and all of this is according to ray

3752
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:48,720
santilli

3753
02:35:53,110 --> 02:35:50,640
the reason for me to have rey on the

3754
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:53,120
show was first

3755
02:35:59,590 --> 02:35:56,399
this was a news story and second

3756
02:36:03,670 --> 02:35:59,600
to ask ray quite directly

3757
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:03,680
on why he was doing this auction now

3758
02:36:08,230 --> 02:36:06,800
and he answered very honestly he's doing

3759
02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:08,240
it for money

3760
02:36:14,550 --> 02:36:11,680
right okay cool that's it case closed

3761
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:14,560
that's why ray was on the show but for

3762
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:14,960
those

3763
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:17,600
who were complaining about ray being on

3764
02:36:22,550 --> 02:36:18,240
with us

3765
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:22,560
most probably didn't listen to the show

3766
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:25,520
and didn't know what they were losing

3767
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:27,840
their minds about

3768
02:36:31,590 --> 02:36:29,520
and i wasn't about to go and make a

3769
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:31,600
statement about it i wasn't gonna

3770
02:36:35,670 --> 02:36:34,399
do anything on social media you know

3771
02:36:38,150 --> 02:36:35,680
what we did this past

3772
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:38,160
thursday was nothing more than me doing

3773
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:39,280
my job

3774
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:41,520
which is to present breaking news put it

3775
02:36:46,070 --> 02:36:43,200
out there and move on

3776
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:46,080
but let me take things a step further

3777
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:47,359
the other reason

3778
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:50,399
for the show was a simple one that

3779
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:51,600
hopefully

3780
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:54,560
someone will win the auction and take

3781
02:36:59,429 --> 02:36:56,000
this frame of film

3782
02:37:02,150 --> 02:36:59,439
and present it for study analyze it

3783
02:37:04,070 --> 02:37:02,160
nobody's been able to do it ever just

3784
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:04,080
get it out of rey's hands man

3785
02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:06,720
and let's take a look at it you know if

3786
02:37:10,950 --> 02:37:07,680
it is what

3787
02:37:13,510 --> 02:37:10,960
rey says it is well it's historic and it

3788
02:37:15,670 --> 02:37:13,520
needs to be put to the test

3789
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:15,680
i know that there are some out there who

3790
02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:16,640
still believe that

3791
02:37:23,270 --> 02:37:20,080
that the alien autopsy is real you know

3792
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:23,280
um that what ray did was authentic that

3793
02:37:28,469 --> 02:37:24,560
it's the real deal

3794
02:37:30,790 --> 02:37:28,479
i do not i knew from the first minutes

3795
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:30,800
that i watched it back in 1995 that it

3796
02:37:35,110 --> 02:37:31,600
was fake

3797
02:37:36,710 --> 02:37:35,120
that it wasn't real thursday's show

3798
02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:36,720
wasn't about whether his fake

3799
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:39,120
documentary was real or not

3800
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:41,040
i think that history laid it out pretty

3801
02:37:46,150 --> 02:37:43,200
clearly thursday was

3802
02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:46,160
was about whether this single frame of

3803
02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:46,720
film

3804
02:37:53,990 --> 02:37:51,920
that he says he purchased in florida

3805
02:37:57,270 --> 02:37:54,000
from the alleged cameraman that

3806
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:57,280
shot it we now know that the

3807
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:00,560
nft auction site wearable got

3808
02:38:04,790 --> 02:38:02,640
shut down right after thursday or right

3809
02:38:06,550 --> 02:38:04,800
before uh thursday's show

3810
02:38:08,070 --> 02:38:06,560
that it was offline briefly as the

3811
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:08,080
roswell auction was

3812
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:11,680
winding down with no bids

3813
02:38:16,389 --> 02:38:15,200
and it was then reset for another three

3814
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:16,399
days

3815
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:19,680
and even that came and went also with no

3816
02:38:23,270 --> 02:38:21,280
bidders

3817
02:38:25,110 --> 02:38:23,280
yesterday i saw that the auction had

3818
02:38:28,790 --> 02:38:25,120
expired and was extended for

3819
02:38:32,469 --> 02:38:28,800
another six days with the timer

3820
02:38:36,790 --> 02:38:32,479
active in a countdown again

3821
02:38:40,469 --> 02:38:36,800
with no bids today as you hear my voice

3822
02:38:43,349 --> 02:38:40,479
the alien autopsy nft uh

3823
02:38:45,670 --> 02:38:43,359
seemed to be removed from the page uh

3824
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:45,680
the front the home page of wearable

3825
02:38:49,670 --> 02:38:47,680
i didn't understand that and then all of

3826
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:49,680
the attempts to search for it

3827
02:38:55,349 --> 02:38:52,800
i couldn't find it i also used the link

3828
02:38:56,870 --> 02:38:55,359
uh i had had for it for the original

3829
02:38:59,830 --> 02:38:56,880
page but

3830
02:39:01,429 --> 02:38:59,840
that page was gone now i put in a couple

3831
02:39:02,309 --> 02:39:01,439
of calls to my connections about the

3832
02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:02,319
auction

3833
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:04,960
to see why it was so difficult to search

3834
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:06,399
for and locate

3835
02:39:10,230 --> 02:39:08,479
and i was sent the new link for the

3836
02:39:12,950 --> 02:39:10,240
auction and there it was

3837
02:39:13,429 --> 02:39:12,960
five days and 20 hours left and now

3838
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:13,439
after

3839
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:16,880
uh this show is probably five days and

3840
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:20,000
17 hours left the countdown is

3841
02:39:26,150 --> 02:39:24,000
active but again with no bids

3842
02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:26,160
now i have never seen an auction with so

3843
02:39:30,309 --> 02:39:27,439
many issues

3844
02:39:32,150 --> 02:39:30,319
uh and so many life extensions to keep

3845
02:39:34,070 --> 02:39:32,160
the bidding active

3846
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:34,080
you know it's just another strange page

3847
02:39:39,349 --> 02:39:37,200
in the alien autopsy story

3848
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:39,359
well you know i guess that my little

3849
02:39:43,750 --> 02:39:41,359
pipe dream about this frame of film

3850
02:39:45,510 --> 02:39:43,760
finally making its way to a lab for some

3851
02:39:47,110 --> 02:39:45,520
study may never happen

3852
02:39:49,110 --> 02:39:47,120
and the controversy surrounding the

3853
02:39:51,670 --> 02:39:49,120
alien autopsy will continue

3854
02:39:53,349 --> 02:39:51,680
of course we are used to this by now

3855
02:39:54,710 --> 02:39:53,359
it's just another day in the world of

3856
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,720
ufology

3857
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:56,479
i don't know what tomorrow is going to

3858
02:40:01,429 --> 02:39:59,280
bring um there was uh five days and 20

3859
02:40:04,389 --> 02:40:01,439
hours left right before the show

3860
02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:04,399
uh will somebody step up and uh place a

3861
02:40:07,750 --> 02:40:05,520
bid

3862
02:40:11,190 --> 02:40:07,760
the minimum right now is you know just

3863
02:40:15,349 --> 02:40:11,200
over a million dollars i think it's 430

3864
02:40:17,110 --> 02:40:15,359
440 eths which is declining in value as

3865
02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:17,120
we speak but right now

3866
02:40:24,950 --> 02:40:21,600
it's just uh over 1.1 million dollars

3867
02:40:27,670 --> 02:40:24,960
um i don't know if they are going to uh

3868
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:27,680
reduce the minimum bid if they are gonna

3869
02:40:31,190 --> 02:40:28,479
open

3870
02:40:33,030 --> 02:40:31,200
it up without a minimum bid and just let

3871
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:33,040
this go free form i don't know

3872
02:40:36,389 --> 02:40:35,920
we'll find out it's just a story that

3873
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:36,399
keeps

3874
02:40:41,269 --> 02:40:39,040
changing and i can't wait for tomorrow

3875
02:40:42,070 --> 02:40:41,279
but i just wanted to speak my piece on

3876
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,080
all of this

3877
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:45,359
without posting a big long diatribe on

3878
02:40:49,269 --> 02:40:46,640
social media

3879
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:49,279
all right all right that's where we

3880
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:50,000
stand

3881
02:40:56,230 --> 02:40:53,200
right now now i've got calls on hold

3882
02:40:59,670 --> 02:40:56,240
and uh let's go ahead and see who is

3883
02:41:02,950 --> 02:40:59,680
up first again seven four seven

3884
02:41:05,110 --> 02:41:02,960
two two eight two zero five

3885
02:41:07,590 --> 02:41:05,120
one let's see who's up hi you're live on

3886
02:41:09,750 --> 02:41:07,600
fade to black who's calling

3887
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:09,760
hey jimmy this john from central

3888
02:41:12,389 --> 02:41:10,880
illinois

3889
02:41:14,469 --> 02:41:12,399
i talked to you here a couple of years

3890
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:14,479
ago hey i'm the one that's got the

3891
02:41:18,070 --> 02:41:17,680
torino cobra oh hey man how you doing

3892
02:41:20,230 --> 02:41:18,080
man

3893
02:41:21,990 --> 02:41:20,240
you got you had that doing good buddy

3894
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:22,000
how are you you had the great bell

3895
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:22,640
bottoms

3896
02:41:28,070 --> 02:41:25,840
and uh and a heck of a haircut

3897
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:28,080
oh i know it i know it yeah do you still

3898
02:41:33,349 --> 02:41:30,000
have that car

3899
02:41:34,710 --> 02:41:33,359
yes oh man yeah she's a beauty she's a

3900
02:41:38,150 --> 02:41:34,720
beauty cobra jet

3901
02:41:41,269 --> 02:41:38,160
all right yes one of one

3902
02:41:44,469 --> 02:41:41,279
oh man and the collar trim and

3903
02:41:47,429 --> 02:41:44,479
everything that was ordered with now uh

3904
02:41:49,750 --> 02:41:47,439
uh for everybody this is john he's uh

3905
02:41:50,710 --> 02:41:49,760
posted his pictures of his torino up in

3906
02:41:53,030 --> 02:41:50,720
twitter

3907
02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:53,040
uh over the last couple of years and i'm

3908
02:41:57,670 --> 02:41:55,680
fully jealous he knows i'm a ford guy

3909
02:42:00,630 --> 02:41:57,680
and uh so that's who is on the phone

3910
02:42:03,590 --> 02:42:00,640
with what's on your mind john

3911
02:42:04,550 --> 02:42:03,600
i don't uh nothing i'm just out with my

3912
02:42:07,830 --> 02:42:04,560
night vision

3913
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:07,840
look in the sky see nothing cool yet but

3914
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:11,600
what kind of night vision do you have uh

3915
02:42:17,429 --> 02:42:14,880
that yours oh you got wildlife

3916
02:42:19,510 --> 02:42:17,439
yeah right on right now do you have the

3917
02:42:22,389 --> 02:42:19,520
blue or the green

3918
02:42:22,790 --> 02:42:22,399
blue oh man ain't no other color to have

3919
02:42:27,110 --> 02:42:22,800
man

3920
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:27,120
anything cool though with them maybe not

3921
02:42:30,630 --> 02:42:28,240
tonight but uh

3922
02:42:31,750 --> 02:42:30,640
in the past uh not tonight but yeah i

3923
02:42:35,269 --> 02:42:31,760
have

3924
02:42:38,550 --> 02:42:35,279
it's it's so amazing uh i

3925
02:42:39,510 --> 02:42:38,560
uh in the last month i would say not

3926
02:42:41,990 --> 02:42:39,520
every night but

3927
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:42,000
every other night maybe every third

3928
02:42:45,030 --> 02:42:44,000
night i just go out into the yard and

3929
02:42:48,150 --> 02:42:45,040
and look up

3930
02:42:50,870 --> 02:42:48,160
with my night vision to see

3931
02:42:52,630 --> 02:42:50,880
whatever is out there and once in a

3932
02:42:56,309 --> 02:42:52,640
while i'll catch something special

3933
02:42:56,550 --> 02:42:56,319
i did uh i did catch starlink last week

3934
02:42:59,830 --> 02:42:56,560
in

3935
02:43:02,469 --> 02:42:59,840
vision with me but

3936
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:02,479
uh to look up with the naked eye to see

3937
02:43:06,469 --> 02:43:03,200
a string

3938
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:06,479
of satellites going across uh the night

3939
02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:06,960
sky

3940
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:09,120
was one of the most mind-blowing things

3941
02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:12,000
i've ever seen it was incredible

3942
02:43:16,230 --> 02:43:14,640
see that's why i was one out here i've

3943
02:43:17,349 --> 02:43:16,240
been wanting to see that and i have not

3944
02:43:21,429 --> 02:43:17,359
got to see it yet

3945
02:43:23,349 --> 02:43:21,439
a little cloudy it's uh it'll get there

3946
02:43:25,269 --> 02:43:23,359
it'll get there so what'd you think of

3947
02:43:26,230 --> 02:43:25,279
the conversation tonight with billy cox

3948
02:43:30,309 --> 02:43:26,240
he's amazing

3949
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:30,319
awesome awesome yeah yeah it's

3950
02:43:37,750 --> 02:43:34,160
uh flying things yeah sooner or later

3951
02:43:40,710 --> 02:43:37,760
well yeah that's exactly the point and

3952
02:43:42,950 --> 02:43:40,720
billy who's been at this for so long

3953
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:42,960
after that incredible sighting in cocoa

3954
02:43:46,070 --> 02:43:43,760
beach which

3955
02:43:47,590 --> 02:43:46,080
sounds like you know black triangle

3956
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:47,600
close to him

3957
02:43:50,950 --> 02:43:50,399
um lasted about 10 seconds turns and

3958
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:50,960
then just

3959
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:54,160
phases out of sight and disappears in

3960
02:43:57,670 --> 02:43:55,279
front of them

3961
02:43:59,670 --> 02:43:57,680
uh that's absolutely incredible but that

3962
02:44:02,550 --> 02:43:59,680
is a life-changing event

3963
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:02,560
and here we are 40 years later of billy

3964
02:44:06,630 --> 02:44:04,880
reporting on this and

3965
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:06,640
and he's a little bit humble he's

3966
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:08,720
probably listening right now

3967
02:44:13,269 --> 02:44:12,000
he's pretty humble about uh his writing

3968
02:44:17,349 --> 02:44:13,279
his style

3969
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:17,359
his uh you know his deep connections and

3970
02:44:21,510 --> 02:44:20,000
and the things that he has uncovered he

3971
02:44:23,110 --> 02:44:21,520
was right in the middle of the wilson

3972
02:44:26,550 --> 02:44:23,120
davis document

3973
02:44:29,429 --> 02:44:26,560
and it's uh it's just an

3974
02:44:29,990 --> 02:44:29,439
honor to sit and listen to billy i could

3975
02:44:35,190 --> 02:44:30,000
just

3976
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:35,200
night

3977
02:44:38,630 --> 02:44:36,800
just an absolutely incredible

3978
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:38,640
conversation

3979
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:41,680
yeah it is the best thing i've seen now

3980
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:44,960
is broad daylight hiding in the clouds

3981
02:44:50,230 --> 02:44:48,640
was one of them big triangles did uh

3982
02:44:52,070 --> 02:44:50,240
i've seen that yeah with your that's

3983
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:52,080
been about five years ago

3984
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:56,080
yeah a big triangle and i took my eyes

3985
02:45:00,710 --> 02:44:57,600
off of it so i had a

3986
02:45:02,950 --> 02:45:00,720
county top down the road with a car that

3987
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:02,960
was off in the ditch

3988
02:45:06,389 --> 02:45:05,040
all right watch them i look back up and

3989
02:45:08,790 --> 02:45:06,399
it was gone

3990
02:45:10,230 --> 02:45:08,800
but it was a triangle look like the

3991
02:45:12,710 --> 02:45:10,240
clouds i thought whoa

3992
02:45:14,630 --> 02:45:12,720
that's not a cloud that is something

3993
02:45:17,670 --> 02:45:14,640
they're hiding

3994
02:45:20,870 --> 02:45:17,680
that that way and that's incredible

3995
02:45:22,389 --> 02:45:20,880
right and what about billy's uh you know

3996
02:45:24,150 --> 02:45:22,399
the four photographs that were taken

3997
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:24,160
when they were fishing

3998
02:45:30,550 --> 02:45:27,600
and yeah and the disappearing cloud

3999
02:45:30,950 --> 02:45:30,560
with with that uh saucer shaped craft

4000
02:45:33,349 --> 02:45:30,960
yeah

4001
02:45:35,269 --> 02:45:33,359
incredible incredible billy's the best

4002
02:45:38,389 --> 02:45:35,279
john thank you so much my friend

4003
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:38,399
post some more pictures of your torino

4004
02:45:45,030 --> 02:45:41,600
i will if i got uh i want to email you a

4005
02:45:50,469 --> 02:45:45,040
question i uh

4006
02:45:57,110 --> 02:45:53,590
uh pre-race uh

4007
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:57,120
passes for next year's indy 500 no

4008
02:46:00,790 --> 02:45:59,439
if you'd like to come back and go you

4009
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:00,800
can

4010
02:46:05,190 --> 02:46:03,439
go with me where are you where are you

4011
02:46:07,590 --> 02:46:05,200
located

4012
02:46:10,870 --> 02:46:07,600
i'm 120 mile from indy i go over there

4013
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:10,880
to uh lucas oil drag strip from my car

4014
02:46:14,309 --> 02:46:13,760
the uh uh it was so cool for me to be

4015
02:46:17,590 --> 02:46:14,319
back in

4016
02:46:19,110 --> 02:46:17,600
indy uh uh during the time trials and

4017
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:19,120
watching that

4018
02:46:23,429 --> 02:46:21,520
um and and how many times i've been to

4019
02:46:24,230 --> 02:46:23,439
the time trials how many races i've been

4020
02:46:26,469 --> 02:46:24,240
to uh

4021
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:26,479
also with my father who just passed away

4022
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:28,000
and and we sat

4023
02:46:33,590 --> 02:46:29,760
and and just talked about all of that

4024
02:46:36,550 --> 02:46:33,600
but unless you've been to an indy 500

4025
02:46:38,710 --> 02:46:36,560
you don't get it right you can hear you

4026
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:38,720
and i talk about their race

4027
02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:41,920
you don't get it you've never been to a

4028
02:46:46,950 --> 02:46:43,920
race

4029
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:46,960
i've been well a lot of them

4030
02:46:53,190 --> 02:46:50,080
but uh it's the

4031
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:53,200
drags over there yeah yeah 8 500

4032
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:55,200
right all that uh unless you've been

4033
02:46:59,269 --> 02:46:56,800
there you don't know what

4034
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:59,279
nothing no no you gotta feel it you have

4035
02:47:03,510 --> 02:47:00,160
to feel it

4036
02:47:04,309 --> 02:47:03,520
and smell it there's a smell there's a

4037
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:04,319
smell

4038
02:47:09,349 --> 02:47:07,200
when it you know it's so funny uh the

4039
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:09,359
cars are going around right the warm-up

4040
02:47:13,349 --> 02:47:10,880
laps for the race

4041
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:13,359
but when they get on it right that first

4042
02:47:17,750 --> 02:47:14,479
lap and then they

4043
02:47:21,269 --> 02:47:17,760
come around and that exhaust

4044
02:47:24,550 --> 02:47:21,279
that airplane fuel smell

4045
02:47:28,150 --> 02:47:24,560
and it just comes up into the stand oh

4046
02:47:29,269 --> 02:47:28,160
man no you just gotta go john thank you

4047
02:47:30,950 --> 02:47:29,279
so much my friend

4048
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:30,960
and uh we'll see you tomorrow good

4049
02:47:35,910 --> 02:47:33,520
evening and condolences over your father

4050
02:47:37,590 --> 02:47:35,920
and uh

4051
02:47:39,510 --> 02:47:37,600
all that buddy i appreciate it have a

4052
02:47:42,070 --> 02:47:39,520
good one i appreciate that john

4053
02:47:44,710 --> 02:47:42,080
thank you so much john's got passes for

4054
02:47:46,309 --> 02:47:44,720
me for next year's indy 500.

4055
02:47:47,750 --> 02:47:46,319
that's what i'm talking about i'm being

4056
02:47:50,309 --> 02:47:47,760
serious though

4057
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,319
the the cars when they're doing uh the

4058
02:47:56,389 --> 02:47:52,160
warm-up lap

4059
02:47:57,750 --> 02:47:56,399
the the uh uh the engines aren't hot yet

4060
02:47:58,550 --> 02:47:57,760
they're trying to get them warmed up the

4061
02:48:01,830 --> 02:47:58,560
exhausted

4062
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:01,840
but when though when that 33 cars

4063
02:48:06,389 --> 02:48:04,960
comes around that first lap when they're

4064
02:48:09,429 --> 02:48:06,399
on speed

4065
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:09,439
and that smell and it's thick

4066
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:12,640
and it just comes up oh man that's a

4067
02:48:16,630 --> 02:48:13,439
game changer

4068
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:16,640
and that's a reason uh i'm serious to go

4069
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:18,240
back to the race the next year that

4070
02:48:22,950 --> 02:48:19,920
first lap man when it just

4071
02:48:26,309 --> 02:48:22,960
wafts up into the stands and it's just

4072
02:48:29,990 --> 02:48:26,319
thick it's incredible and uh the

4073
02:48:32,389 --> 02:48:30,000
volume how loud it uh truly

4074
02:48:33,990 --> 02:48:32,399
is i remember uh before i get to the

4075
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:34,000
next caller

4076
02:48:39,910 --> 02:48:37,040
i was probably 10

4077
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:39,920
and uh my first time trial and i went

4078
02:48:44,469 --> 02:48:41,680
with my two step brothers

4079
02:48:44,870 --> 02:48:44,479
and so we go and i kind of got separated

4080
02:48:47,269 --> 02:48:44,880
uh

4081
02:48:48,870 --> 02:48:47,279
we were not separated separated but we

4082
02:48:51,590 --> 02:48:48,880
were all on the first turn

4083
02:48:52,070 --> 02:48:51,600
but i had this little 110 instamatic

4084
02:48:55,269 --> 02:48:52,080
camera

4085
02:48:58,710 --> 02:48:55,279
i got for my birthday and

4086
02:49:00,469 --> 02:48:58,720
and uh you could go down and this was in

4087
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,479
the first turn so here's the wall

4088
02:49:03,670 --> 02:49:02,880
man it's the wall you could almost reach

4089
02:49:05,670 --> 02:49:03,680
out

4090
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:05,680
if my arm was long enough and touch the

4091
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:07,680
track right and it's the first turn

4092
02:49:11,750 --> 02:49:09,279
and i could see all the way down the

4093
02:49:12,309 --> 02:49:11,760
straight away and i've got my instamatic

4094
02:49:16,070 --> 02:49:12,319
camera

4095
02:49:19,030 --> 02:49:16,080
this is this is the truth and so the the

4096
02:49:20,150 --> 02:49:19,040
the fence the protective wiring had

4097
02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:20,160
these openings

4098
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:22,479
it's like six inches square and i could

4099
02:49:26,469 --> 02:49:24,880
just get my camera out

4100
02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:26,479
uh and so you wouldn't see the fence and

4101
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:28,080
i could take pictures right

4102
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:31,120
all right and i remember tom carnegie

4103
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:34,399
the voice of the 500 so

4104
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:38,479
it's the first car first qualifier

4105
02:49:43,910 --> 02:49:41,920
here we go and and i see now and the

4106
02:49:44,630 --> 02:49:43,920
cars were going around slow you know i

4107
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:44,640
was like okay

4108
02:49:50,950 --> 02:49:47,840
all right all right now

4109
02:49:53,110 --> 02:49:50,960
i hear carnegie say and he's on it

4110
02:49:54,550 --> 02:49:53,120
and boom and i see this thing blip it's

4111
02:49:55,670 --> 02:49:54,560
a little black dot come out of the

4112
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:55,680
fourth

4113
02:50:01,990 --> 02:49:59,520
turn i was like oh my god

4114
02:50:05,030 --> 02:50:02,000
how fast is that thing going of course

4115
02:50:07,830 --> 02:50:05,040
it's doing you know 220 miles an hour

4116
02:50:10,070 --> 02:50:07,840
with and he's coming straight at me and

4117
02:50:11,429 --> 02:50:10,080
i got my camera out

4118
02:50:14,469 --> 02:50:11,439
of the fence and i'm going to take a

4119
02:50:18,150 --> 02:50:14,479
picture and i could hear it coming

4120
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:18,160
it's loud i didn't take a picture

4121
02:50:22,070 --> 02:50:20,160
this thing came around me in the first

4122
02:50:26,150 --> 02:50:22,080
turn and it was so loud

4123
02:50:28,870 --> 02:50:26,160
and so fast i fell backwards

4124
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:28,880
into the arms of some woman behind me

4125
02:50:33,510 --> 02:50:30,000
that i didn't know

4126
02:50:35,110 --> 02:50:33,520
with her family and onto her lap

4127
02:50:37,429 --> 02:50:35,120
and i was out and they were just

4128
02:50:39,110 --> 02:50:37,439
laughing at me and was like holy crap

4129
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:39,120
this is the coolest thing

4130
02:50:44,950 --> 02:50:42,160
ever and i got the smell

4131
02:50:46,150 --> 02:50:44,960
that's the indy 500 that's the indy 500

4132
02:50:47,590 --> 02:50:46,160
let's go back to the phones

4133
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:47,600
how you're live on fade to black who's

4134
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:49,279
calling

4135
02:50:52,710 --> 02:50:51,920
hi it's corey from oakland hey corey how

4136
02:50:55,429 --> 02:50:52,720
you doing jimmy

4137
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:55,439
what's cracking my brother dude i

4138
02:50:58,870 --> 02:50:57,040
thought you checked out how are you

4139
02:51:01,030 --> 02:50:58,880
i thought you checked out i thought you

4140
02:51:04,230 --> 02:51:01,040
checked out you said no no no no no i

4141
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:04,240
i was going to but you know what i i was

4142
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:10,070
i don't think i i don't think being i

4143
02:51:13,429 --> 02:51:11,760
don't think being a jerk is in your

4144
02:51:15,670 --> 02:51:13,439
bloodstream but

4145
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:15,680
um it was funny because i said i said

4146
02:51:22,389 --> 02:51:17,520
corey

4147
02:51:26,230 --> 02:51:24,469
yeah man i was like you can't go man

4148
02:51:29,750 --> 02:51:26,240
there's a half hour left in the show

4149
02:51:31,590 --> 02:51:29,760
nobody bails oh right man i know

4150
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:31,600
but how are you doing man i'm doing good

4151
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:33,680
how are you doing

4152
02:51:37,349 --> 02:51:36,160
i'm doing i'm doing great you know

4153
02:51:40,469 --> 02:51:37,359
you're the best right

4154
02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:40,479
you know you're the best no yeah you're

4155
02:51:44,309 --> 02:51:41,520
the best you're the best

4156
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:44,319
so i gotta well i think i'm kind of cool

4157
02:51:48,790 --> 02:51:44,720
but

4158
02:51:55,429 --> 02:51:52,230
you're the essence of cool so um what

4159
02:51:57,670 --> 02:51:55,439
now now i know uh that you listen to

4160
02:52:00,950 --> 02:51:57,680
every show you listen every word

4161
02:52:05,910 --> 02:52:00,960
um tonight billy cox how how

4162
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:09,510
it was nice that's it

4163
02:52:12,790 --> 02:52:11,130
well it was nice

4164
02:52:16,870 --> 02:52:12,800
[Laughter]

4165
02:52:18,870 --> 02:52:16,880
okay you you know what i really think

4166
02:52:20,230 --> 02:52:18,880
i don't know if nice is the word i

4167
02:52:21,429 --> 02:52:20,240
didn't i didn't i didn't like the

4168
02:52:23,990 --> 02:52:21,439
politics that's all

4169
02:52:24,790 --> 02:52:24,000
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'll tell

4170
02:52:27,429 --> 02:52:24,800
you yeah

4171
02:52:28,070 --> 02:52:27,439
okay i'm gonna lay it down sure right

4172
02:52:31,190 --> 02:52:28,080
sure

4173
02:52:34,230 --> 02:52:31,200
i didn't like the politics

4174
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:34,240
okay what part he didn't you know what i

4175
02:52:41,030 --> 02:52:37,359
think he kept it pretty steady

4176
02:52:44,309 --> 02:52:41,040
well when okay you know what

4177
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:44,319
i don't want to be a jerk i mean because

4178
02:52:47,110 --> 02:52:44,960
you know i

4179
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:47,120
i called because i wanted to let you i

4180
02:52:51,590 --> 02:52:48,720
know you're

4181
02:52:52,389 --> 02:52:51,600
the show's about to end but i'm just

4182
02:52:57,030 --> 02:52:52,399
going to say

4183
02:53:01,269 --> 02:52:57,040
like i just kind of was a little

4184
02:53:03,670 --> 02:53:01,279
questionable about like uh

4185
02:53:06,230 --> 02:53:03,680
speaking about politics and that's

4186
02:53:10,150 --> 02:53:06,240
that's that's my own business

4187
02:53:10,790 --> 02:53:10,160
that's nobody else's well so we'll leave

4188
02:53:13,190 --> 02:53:10,800
it there

4189
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:13,200
well but you bring up a good point

4190
02:53:16,950 --> 02:53:13,920
though

4191
02:53:18,790 --> 02:53:16,960
um because this is such a politically

4192
02:53:22,070 --> 02:53:18,800
free zone

4193
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:22,080
when it does happen right it sticks out

4194
02:53:25,269 --> 02:53:24,880
that's why that's why i love your show

4195
02:53:29,429 --> 02:53:25,279
right

4196
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:29,439
kind of don't do that

4197
02:53:33,429 --> 02:53:32,399
yeah yeah it's hard man it's it's yeah i

4198
02:53:36,550 --> 02:53:33,439
know it's difficult

4199
02:53:38,950 --> 02:53:36,560
it's it's hard it's okay it's okay

4200
02:53:41,110 --> 02:53:38,960
but uh people people want to bring it up

4201
02:53:44,389 --> 02:53:41,120
a lot

4202
02:53:47,429 --> 02:53:44,399
the uh the part uh uh for

4203
02:53:50,870 --> 02:53:47,439
billy that is so fascinating to me

4204
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:50,880
is that he dedicated his career

4205
02:53:57,030 --> 02:53:54,720
uh to this community and chasing answers

4206
02:53:57,910 --> 02:53:57,040
you know when it comes to ufos you know

4207
02:54:01,030 --> 02:53:57,920
in a jimmy

4208
02:54:05,269 --> 02:54:01,040
indeed like he was he is

4209
02:54:08,389 --> 02:54:05,279
he no he's fabulous he's really cool

4210
02:54:12,150 --> 02:54:08,399
but i it's just uh

4211
02:54:15,190 --> 02:54:12,160
sometimes it comes up and it's okay

4212
02:54:18,550 --> 02:54:15,200
right well but there's there's

4213
02:54:21,830 --> 02:54:18,560
but it's okay but but but corey this is

4214
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:21,840
this i think this is his point

4215
02:54:27,349 --> 02:54:25,200
um and it's it's it's something that

4216
02:54:28,710 --> 02:54:27,359
has to be talked about at some point but

4217
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:28,720
is this

4218
02:54:35,429 --> 02:54:33,680
that before before 2017

4219
02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:35,439
before this climate that we find

4220
02:54:40,070 --> 02:54:36,960
ourselves in now

4221
02:54:43,590 --> 02:54:40,080
this entire subject was shunned

4222
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:43,600
uh by the newspaper game by the media by

4223
02:54:47,510 --> 02:54:45,359
by the department of defense by the

4224
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:47,520
white it didn't matter

4225
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:50,640
all of the official side of things

4226
02:54:57,510 --> 02:54:54,479
we were ridiculed now suddenly

4227
02:54:58,870 --> 02:54:57,520
is it's not only being discussed by the

4228
02:55:03,269 --> 02:54:58,880
department of defense

4229
02:55:06,630 --> 02:55:03,279
in the military it's now politicized

4230
02:55:09,429 --> 02:55:06,640
now it's politicized and it's also

4231
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:09,439
sorry go ahead no but it's now

4232
02:55:14,070 --> 02:55:10,560
politicized

4233
02:55:17,190 --> 02:55:14,080
and we are going to see politicians

4234
02:55:20,550 --> 02:55:17,200
taking sides i had often think about

4235
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:20,560
uaps ufos and all of that and that is

4236
02:55:28,870 --> 02:55:25,359
so cool well right do you remember it

4237
02:55:31,349 --> 02:55:28,880
do you remember when i had said uh

4238
02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:31,359
during the last election cycles of the

4239
02:55:36,070 --> 02:55:32,640
last two

4240
02:55:37,429 --> 02:55:36,080
i i wouldn't be surprised if a candidate

4241
02:55:40,950 --> 02:55:37,439
goes after

4242
02:55:44,550 --> 02:55:40,960
the ufo vote when they find out how

4243
02:55:47,429 --> 02:55:44,560
big right i mean and go yeah

4244
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:47,439
they want to know yeah they want to lock

4245
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:50,240
down a nomination go after the ufo vote

4246
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:52,640
if you're smart yeah why don't people

4247
02:55:57,269 --> 02:55:54,080
talk about it anymore

4248
02:56:00,630 --> 02:55:57,279
i mean i mean they they they are now

4249
02:56:03,349 --> 02:56:00,640
you're correct they are but it's also

4250
02:56:03,910 --> 02:56:03,359
very interesting that like all of a

4251
02:56:06,469 --> 02:56:03,920
sudden

4252
02:56:07,510 --> 02:56:06,479
like people are starting to talk about

4253
02:56:10,630 --> 02:56:07,520
it and it's

4254
02:56:12,950 --> 02:56:10,640
very very like okay like

4255
02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:12,960
i mean they're bringing it up like jimmy

4256
02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:14,000
kimmel and

4257
02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:16,800
you know like all these people like you

4258
02:56:20,230 --> 02:56:17,120
know

4259
02:56:23,590 --> 02:56:20,240
like oh that's so it's it's

4260
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:23,600
it's actually a wonderful time to live

4261
02:56:31,030 --> 02:56:27,040
well um last week and i

4262
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:31,040
i really have to drive this home

4263
02:56:36,550 --> 02:56:34,160
when when jen passaki right

4264
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:36,560
stood there in the white house press

4265
02:56:48,469 --> 02:56:37,600
room

4266
02:56:52,710 --> 02:56:50,070
yeah she's been dealing with that her

4267
02:56:57,030 --> 02:56:52,720
whole life but but the truth is

4268
02:57:00,790 --> 02:56:57,040
i don't think i don't think ever

4269
02:57:03,590 --> 02:57:00,800
in a you in a white house press briefing

4270
02:57:05,030 --> 02:57:03,600
that ufos have been talked about ever i

4271
02:57:07,030 --> 02:57:05,040
mean not even once

4272
02:57:08,230 --> 02:57:07,040
i don't believe i i thought that was the

4273
02:57:11,030 --> 02:57:08,240
first time well

4274
02:57:12,070 --> 02:57:11,040
yeah i can't think of it ever happening

4275
02:57:15,269 --> 02:57:12,080
before

4276
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:15,279
even like yes right man

4277
02:57:19,990 --> 02:57:18,560
i mean it's interesting it's a lovely

4278
02:57:23,590 --> 02:57:20,000
time to be alive

4279
02:57:25,830 --> 02:57:23,600
right yeah when uh

4280
02:57:30,550 --> 02:57:25,840
uh when billy said tonight i need to

4281
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:33,990
i i need another 20. and i've i've that

4282
02:57:39,910 --> 02:57:37,359
same thought has entered my mind i need

4283
02:57:42,630 --> 02:57:39,920
another 20. i need another 25 guaranteed

4284
02:57:45,510 --> 02:57:42,640
i got to ride this thing out

4285
02:57:46,870 --> 02:57:45,520
guess what we'll need another 50. no

4286
02:57:48,710 --> 02:57:46,880
don't say that

4287
02:57:50,469 --> 02:57:48,720
i i might be able to hang for another

4288
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:50,479
20. i could maybe

4289
02:58:01,110 --> 02:57:58,790
oh man thank you so much corey

4290
02:58:02,150 --> 02:58:01,120
uh behave and be well and uh we'll see

4291
02:58:04,150 --> 02:58:02,160
you tomorrow night

4292
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:04,160
you'll be well as well you know what

4293
02:58:07,830 --> 02:58:05,760
i'll see you tomorrow

4294
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:07,840
well wait wait a minute yeah yeah

4295
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:09,120
tomorrow yeah

4296
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:12,399
yeah it's tuesday i love your show

4297
02:58:17,429 --> 02:58:15,600
and you know what it's gonna be great

4298
02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:17,439
thank you so much corey have a great

4299
02:58:20,630 --> 02:58:19,680
evening enjoy the rest of your memorial

4300
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:20,640
day weekend

4301
02:58:24,070 --> 02:58:21,920
and we'll see you right here tomorrow

4302
02:58:27,429 --> 02:58:24,080
night you too

4303
02:58:29,990 --> 02:58:27,439
jimmy see you tomorrow that's corey and

4304
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:30,000
it's so funny he he he tweeted out all

4305
02:58:33,670 --> 02:58:32,160
right man uh i got a bail i was like

4306
02:58:36,870 --> 02:58:33,680
what

4307
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:36,880
you're not going anywhere and uh he

4308
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:39,040
chooses to call in corey's the best

4309
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:41,760
uh thank you for that yeah what an

4310
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:43,680
interesting time

4311
02:58:49,590 --> 02:58:47,520
um wow and it you know with the ufo

4312
02:58:51,429 --> 02:58:49,600
community it's always you know next year

4313
02:58:52,870 --> 02:58:51,439
next year next year well we're in the

4314
02:58:56,070 --> 02:58:52,880
middle of it now

4315
02:58:59,110 --> 02:58:56,080
it's not next year anymore oh

4316
02:59:01,990 --> 02:58:59,120
man let's see what happens in 2021.

4317
02:59:04,150 --> 02:59:02,000
here we are tomorrow is june 1st the

4318
02:59:06,469 --> 02:59:04,160
countdown begins right

4319
02:59:08,710 --> 02:59:06,479
absolutely incredible and what a great

4320
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:08,720
week we've got coming up here

4321
02:59:12,469 --> 02:59:10,960
with fade to black and i want to remind

4322
02:59:13,990 --> 02:59:12,479
everybody what's going on tonight of

4323
02:59:16,550 --> 02:59:14,000
course billy cox

4324
02:59:17,910 --> 02:59:16,560
tomorrow night lisa o'hara is with us

4325
02:59:20,710 --> 02:59:17,920
for the first time

4326
02:59:22,389 --> 02:59:20,720
and her book uh abducted and furious

4327
02:59:23,429 --> 02:59:22,399
that's tomorrow wednesday night lou

4328
02:59:25,830 --> 02:59:23,439
elizondo

4329
02:59:26,550 --> 02:59:25,840
gonna get the results of our high school

4330
02:59:28,950 --> 02:59:26,560
yearbook

4331
02:59:29,670 --> 02:59:28,960
uh poll we're going to get that out too

4332
02:59:31,910 --> 02:59:29,680
as well

4333
02:59:34,070 --> 02:59:31,920
and then thursday night again another

4334
02:59:37,110 --> 02:59:34,080
first time guest three times this week

4335
02:59:39,510 --> 02:59:37,120
ralph blumenthal is going to be here

4336
02:59:40,389 --> 02:59:39,520
to discuss his new best-selling book

4337
02:59:43,190 --> 02:59:40,399
john mack

4338
02:59:44,790 --> 02:59:43,200
believer what a great week on fade to

4339
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:44,800
black i want to thank all of you for

4340
02:59:48,870 --> 02:59:46,080
spending your

4341
02:59:50,790 --> 02:59:48,880
memorial day extended weekend with us

4342
02:59:52,870 --> 02:59:50,800
tonight right here on fade to block

4343
02:59:54,150 --> 02:59:52,880
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4344
02:59:56,150 --> 02:59:54,160
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4345
02:59:57,429 --> 02:59:56,160
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4346
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4347
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4348
03:00:03,670 --> 03:00:00,479
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4349
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4350
03:00:08,070 --> 03:00:06,600
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4351
03:00:10,150 --> 03:00:08,080
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4352
03:00:12,110 --> 03:00:10,160
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4353
03:00:13,590 --> 03:00:12,120
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4354
03:00:15,990 --> 03:00:13,600
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4355
03:00:18,309 --> 03:00:16,000
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4356
03:00:20,070 --> 03:00:18,319
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4357
03:00:21,910 --> 03:00:20,080
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4358
03:00:23,510 --> 03:00:21,920
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4359
03:00:24,309 --> 03:00:23,520
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4360
03:00:25,910 --> 03:00:24,319
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4361
03:00:27,349 --> 03:00:25,920
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4362
03:00:28,710 --> 03:00:27,359
block of the game changer network i'm

4363
03:00:31,030 --> 03:00:28,720
your host jimmy church

4364
03:00:31,830 --> 03:00:31,040
i'll see everybody tomorrow night lisa

4365
03:00:35,190 --> 03:00:31,840
o'hara

4366
03:00:36,150 --> 03:00:35,200
abducted and furious until then i want

4367
03:00:52,880 --> 03:00:36,160
everybody to be

4368
03:01:08,920 --> 03:00:52,890
safe it's time to fade to black